Keeping Dead Industries Alive.... - Page 6

jaysay · 13-04-2013, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Less

Are you blind to everything else on this site?

You want me and Jay to appear mortal enemies?

You ignore other conversations we have together agreeing and occasionally defending?

Of course I get at him, he attempts sometimes to get at me and IF we ignore the spelling sometimes he comes close.

The big but is....

Despite being ignorant of anything that isn't Tory, he is a friend, I have no problem with anyone's politics if they don't harm me and mine, Mags and hers did more harm than was needed to a large proportion of Our Country.

Now go forth spread your word but please don't consider me to be anything other than what I am.

Shouldn't that be what I is Less

Eric · 13-04-2013, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Actually the Latin mistress(was it Florry, prominent front teeth?) had a soft spot for me so I never got beaten!

Result- the day of my last Latin lesson was the day I forgot the lot.

"Flossy" Fergusson, maybe? She was a sweetheart

Less · 13-04-2013, 15:29

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Shouldn't that be what I is Less

Nope I passed my 11+ first time around, no need to be corrected I am part of the elite!

(Well I was until she who makes all dismayed appeared on the scene).

Gordon Booth · 13-04-2013, 15:34

So we should have kept the subsidised mines alive so they could produce coal which was still more expensive than we could buy abroad?

Well let's be fair and even handed then.

We should have kept all those shipyards open even though no-body was buying our ships, Korea Japan etc. were cheaper.
BL- we should have kept it alive, there were plenty of fields left to put the cars on which they couldn't sell(even to BL workers).
TV's,washing machines, fridges, clothes( even M&S clothes), shoes- we should have subsidised ALL these factories to keep ALL the workers in work? Even though the goods they produced were more expensive than we could buy from abroad?

Only one problem- 2+2=5 doesn't work. You run out of money. You can't have subsidised industries employing subsidised workers to produce subsidised goods which they can't afford to buy because their taxes rise to pay the subsidies to themselves and everyone else.

As the goods are more expensive than foreign stuff you can't export it. You're out of business!

We should have replaced our old industries which couldn't compete with modern hi-tech industry which the rising economies couldn't beat.
We didn't, we relied on banking, North Sea oil and gas to keep us afloat. It worked but only for a little while.

maxthecollie · 13-04-2013, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Eric

"Flossy" Fergusson, maybe? She was a sweetheart

Big Jim taught me Latin

Less · 13-04-2013, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

So we should have kept the subsidised mines alive so they could produce coal which was still more expensive than we could buy abroad?

Well let's be fair and even handed then.

We should have kept all those shipyards open even though no-body was buying our ships, Korea Japan etc. were cheaper.
BL- we should have kept it alive, there were plenty of fields left to put the cars on which they couldn't sell(even to BL workers).
TV's,washing machines, fridges, clothes( even M&S clothes), shoes- we should have subsidised ALL these factories to keep ALL the workers in work? Even though the goods they produced were more expensive than we could buy from abroad?

Only one problem- 2+2=5 doesn't work. You run out of money. You can't have subsidised industries employing subsidised workers to produce subsidised goods which they can't afford to buy because their taxes rise to pay the subsidies to themselves and everyone else.

As the goods are more expensive than foreign stuff you can't export it. You're out of business!

We should have replaced our old industries which couldn't compete with modern hi-tech industry which the rising economies couldn't beat.
We didn't, we relied on banking, North Sea oil and gas to keep us afloat. It worked but only for a little while.

Old arguments with just as equally old rhetoric coming your way,

We have either in this thread or the Maggie one agreed that labour (you know labour? People working), and management were crap to each other during that time, but come on, to waste a whole industry?
The actions of a megalomaniac!

Eric · 13-04-2013, 15:57

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie

Big Jim taught me Latin

I remember him ... I think he also taught Greek to the sixth. Seemed like a harmless enough sort.

maxthecollie · 13-04-2013, 16:01

Big Gentle Giant

yerself · 13-04-2013, 16:22

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Tick tock the clock is ticking

Tick tock, tick to...........................whoops the springs broken.

DtheP47 · 13-04-2013, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Less

We have either in this thread or the Maggie one agreed that labour (you know labour? People working), and management were crap to each other during that time, but come on, to waste a whole industry?
The actions of a megalomaniac!

It will always be a matter for argument Less, how much would have happened with any prime minister, and how much was down to Margaret?

Eric · 13-04-2013, 16:30

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie

Big Gentle Giant

That describes him to a "t" ... I remember Ben teaching German. We started each class with a little sing along ... always the same song. One that reflected how he saw his function as HEADMASTER.

Enough wandering ... time to go and buy cat food .... the little b's are eating me out of mouse and home.

DtheP47 · 13-04-2013, 18:53

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Originally Posted by DtheP47

It will always be a matter for argument Less, how much would have happened with any prime minister, and how much was down to Margaret?

Some figures here augmenting my suggestion that the mining industry was in terminal decline and even more jobs were lost before Thatcher came to power.
Around a million jobs vanished between 1920 and 1980.
More than 300,000 coal mining jobs disappeared during the period between the 1960's and 70's.
Margaret T was the coal industries most visible foe but not the one who lost it the most jobs.

Gordon Booth · 13-04-2013, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Eric

"Flossy" Fergusson, maybe? She was a sweetheart

''Flossy'', that was it. She was a lovely lady.
I disliked German that much I don't even remember who taught me it. I could never imagine a boy and girl having a romantic conversation in German but I suppose they must have done or there wouldn't be any Germans.
''Froggy'', was it, the little German/Austrian who taught us French with a German accent?
Didn't he have to get out of Germany before WW2? I always felt sorry for him, a sad little man.

walkinman221 · 13-04-2013, 19:07

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Originally Posted by GEaston

Time to debate dead industries, lets start with Coal...

It's himself, Phelan: Myths and the miners strike

Now I know there are many here with Rose tinted glasses, not to mention a few miners. I'm interested to hear the counter arguments as to how the above is factually wrong, and in particular why this industry should have been kept alive at the taxpayers gigantic expense?

Eh up old big heads back

And the tax payer of course means him because he has paid considerably more tax than anyone else here,(apparently)