Keeping Dead Industries Alive....

GEaston · 12-04-2013, 21:14

Time to debate dead industries, lets start with Coal...

It's himself, Phelan: Myths and the miners strike

Now I know there are many here with Rose tinted glasses, not to mention a few miners. I'm interested to hear the counter arguments as to how the above is factually wrong, and in particular why this industry should have been kept alive at the taxpayers gigantic expense?

Guinness · 12-04-2013, 21:20

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Originally Posted by GEaston

Time to debate dead industries, lets start with Coal...

It's himself, Phelan: Myths and the miners strike

Now I know there are many here with Rose tinted glasses, not to mention a few miners. I'm interested to hear the counter arguments as to how the above is factually wrong, and in particular why this industry should have been kept alive at the taxpayers gigantic expense?

Wow..only took you 4 days to find a three year old conservative critique of the miners strike

pallyman · 12-04-2013, 21:41

coal will come back if Germany's anything to go by.

cashman · 12-04-2013, 21:45

When anyone tells me its time to do this, or what to start wi, they can get stuffed, it don't work wi me, ask a question yeh got a chance, tell me, yeh got no chance.

accyman · 12-04-2013, 21:55

we fund other countries things like education,their people and lots more at the tax payers expense so why not one of our own industries ?

just saying like lol

DaveinGermany · 12-04-2013, 22:00

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Originally Posted by pallyman

coal will come back if Germany's anything to go by.

Wouldn't count on it, the reason Germany is looking at coal is because they've shut down the nuclear plants already & all the crap about wind, solar etc by 2020 can't cover the shortfall in energy so the only realistic option is fossil fuels.

Less · 12-04-2013, 22:05

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Originally Posted by GEaston

Time to debate dead industries, lets start with Coal...

It's himself, Phelan: Myths and the miners strike

Now I know there are many here with Rose tinted glasses, not to mention a few miners. I'm interested to hear the counter arguments as to how the above is factually wrong, and in particular why this industry should have been kept alive at the taxpayers gigantic expense?

If it really is time to debate why didn't you start this so called debate with your own opinions rather than drag up some link hoping that it will do the work you cannot be bothered to place on site yourself.
I think that investing in the pits during the seventies and eighties when we had monies coming in from gas and oil would have now given us a cheaper productivity and far more efficient mining industry which would have by now saved a fortune that is being wasted on imports.
It is only my opinion, I have no figures to back it up because we no longer have a coal industry so this conversation is perhaps mute and just placed on site by the thread starter in an attempt to make himself appear smart or else as an attempt to stir things further between the pro and anti Maggie factions.
Perhaps next time you attempt to start a debate you will make it one that is worthwhile, such as if we have three beans and meet a young man walking to market could we as true Tories fool this simpleton into exchanging his mothers best milking cow for them and how much tax on the said beast will we need to avoid paying before we can call the deal profitable?

cmonstanley · 12-04-2013, 22:16

well we import millions of tons of coal every year ,so whatever companies that are buying them are letting millions of pounds leave the country minus tax collected from miners wages so it is costing more importing coal.i see at least ten cargo ships a week full of coal being emptied at Hunterston,the deepest inshore port in britain. The coal is piled up in huge heaps just now as a coal ship from south america has landed.i see a coal train leave there every hour.

cmonstanley · 12-04-2013, 22:17

actually its every week we import millions of tons of coal.

Eric · 13-04-2013, 00:00

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

actually its every week we import millions of tons of coal.

This would seem to put a whole new spin on the phrase "dead industries".

I'm not an expert on this, but I would suspect that new technologies have made coal burning a whole bunch cleaner. And when you think of events like Chernobyl, coal is a helluva lot safer.

Also, one can't consider the coal industry in isolation, one has to lood at the vital communities it supported.

Eric · 13-04-2013, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Less

If it really is time to debate why didn't you start this so called debate with your own opinions rather than drag up some link hoping that it will do the work you cannot be bothered to place on site yourself.
I think that investing in the pits during the seventies and eighties when we had monies coming in from gas and oil would have now given us a cheaper productivity and far more efficient mining industry which would have by now saved a fortune that is being wasted on imports.
It is only my opinion, I have no figures to back it up because we no longer have a coal industry so this conversation is perhaps mute and just placed on site by the thread starter in an attempt to make himself appear smart or else as an attempt to stir things further between the pro and anti Maggie factions.
Perhaps next time you attempt to start a debate you will make it one that is worthwhile, such as if we have three beans and meet a young man walking to market could we as true Tories fool this simpleton into exchanging his mothers best milking cow for them and how much tax on the said beast will we need to avoid paying before we can call the deal profitable?

I agree ... but I wouldn't have wasted so many words on what is obviously blinkered tory BS.