Kids behavior no worse than before

[Ossywarrior]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Teachers were always able to cope with one or 2 such badly behaved pupils per class, but when the whole class had a distorted view of what was acceptable they were overwhelmed

a whole class? come on that cant quite be right and i can read your posts ok margaret no need to put parts of it in bold

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Ossywarrior

a whole class? come on that cant quite be right and i can read your posts ok margaret no need to put parts of it in bold

I use bold to indicate the words I would give verbal emphasis to if I was speaking to you - if I want to shout I will use block caps.

Remember how apprehensive you were when you moved from primary to secondary school at the impressionable age of 11.

You will have felt the need to 'conform' to what you thought was expected.
When Grangehill had lowered that standard most 'conformed' by lowering theirs

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Teachers were always able to cope with one or 2 such badly behaved pupils per class, but when the whole class had a distorted view of what was acceptable they were overwhelmed

At Rhydding in 1953 we had a teacher called Franklin or Frankland, his nickname was Birdie.
That man would never be overwhelmed as you put it, he was a hell of a teacher and he was the boss.
His view of acceptable was his word was law and we all knew it.
He had a small plot of land at the back of the school which he called his own and if you were on the wrong side of the fence you would be invited after school to dig a 6ft hole and then fill it in, whatever the weather.
The softie approach was unknown and I am all for that.
When in the army in later years the education continued and open your mouth when its not warranted you suffered the consequences.

[Ossywarrior]

i remember mr mchale had me kneeling on pencils for talking when i should of been listening but u cant do that now

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Ossywarrior

i remember mr mchale had me kneeling on pencils for talking when i should of been listening but u cant do that now

Do you think that he could have coped with 3/4 of the class needing such punishment at the same time?

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Do you think that he could have coped with 3/4 of the class needing such punishment at the same time?

Is this a tate a tate or can we all join in?

[West Ender]

You can't blame a generation's behaviour on a television programme. If standards have fallen and teachers can't cope it's because successive governments, in their wisdom, have taken most means of disciplining away and replaced them with "rights".

If a teacher, or indeed anyone in authority, as much as touches a child there's a hue and cry and any young thug who knows a teacher can't even retaliate, if attacked, is going to take advantage of the fact. It doesn't take long for the attitude to spread to a whole class.

[Caz]

Ossy warrior, your posts are contradictory aren't they?

Take this

very good point but many many parents belive that being a good parent is giving there child what they ask for/want. now to me that isnt right i think it has bred a generation of children who are selfish, arrogant, cocky and belive that they dont have to work hard for waht they get.
also most familys have both parents working and let there teenagers look after themselves while they work.
maybe if the cost of living wasnt so high we could all get back to some good family morals and maybe in a generation or two we will have kids that are respectful again.

p.s

i find most adults just as bad as kids.

So you are saying in that post that it's the spoilt brats who are the problem.

You also say the teenage problem was worse back then in another post. it can't be both can it?

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by cashman

have to disagree, that to me is the same line of thinking that says all those on benefits are scroungers. any kid with ability can go to university as my lad did, its all about sacrifices if yer prepared to make em in low income families.

Lets get real... the main thing being that, rich or poor, the person involed has to have the qualifications to even apply for a place at Uni...now there's no way anyone can tell me that a kid from a less well off family has the same chance as one from parents that can afford to pay for the best education at the earliest age.. I've known very bright kids that had fantastic potential let down when they ended up at bad state secondary schools with bad reputations and frankly not very good teachers...these schools are predominatly in areas were incomes are low... there's no doubt that if you can afford to pay for your kids education .. they have a much better chance of Uni

[Caz]

now there's no way anyone can tell me that a kid from a less well off family has the same chance as one from parents that can afford to pay for the best education at the earliest age..

Why can't they? If a kid has it, he has it. If he wants to make a future for himself he will do his darnedest to meet that goal

Like you said if they get the qualifications..., and you don't need fancy education for that

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Caz

Why can't they? If a kid has it, he has it. If he wants to make a future for himself he will do his darnedest to meet that goal

Like you said if they get the qualifications..., and you don't need fancy education for that

you don't need fancy education but you need decent teachers.. and the best teachers..given a choice.. do not teach in run down inner city schools in areas known for violence and poverty.. why would they?....it's not like on telly were you get good teachers going to rough schools because they want to help bright kids.. that happens on telly, but not in real life!

[Ossywarrior]

Originally Posted by Caz

Ossy warrior, your posts are contradictory aren't they?

Take this



So you are saying in that post that it's the spoilt brats who are the problem.

You also say the teenage problem was worse back then in another post. it can't be both can it?

Posted via Mobile Device

No if u look back I said it isn't any worse now than when I was a teenager in oswaldtwistle, now u quoted me mentioning the new housing estate on rhoden road and saying maybe that is a reason for the sudden increase in teenagers meeting around where I live.

Is internet one up-manship so important u have to trawl my previous posts ?

[cashman]

were talking here about hyndburn/accy district teachers in what is known throughout the country as a low paid area, mancie, last i heard was no inner city around here, take yer point about such places though, although i was never brought up in one. fer me hyndburn i assume had/has good/bad teachers just the same as most small towns,

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Lets get real... the main thing being that, rich or poor, the person involed has to have the qualifications to even apply for a place at Uni...now there's no way anyone can tell me that a kid from a less well off family has the same chance as one from parents that can afford to pay for the best education at the earliest age.. I've known very bright kids that had fantastic potential let down when they ended up at bad state secondary schools with bad reputations and frankly not very good teachers...these schools are predominatly in areas were incomes are low... there's no doubt that if you can afford to pay for your kids education .. they have a much better chance of Uni

ok in my family alone 4 attended the 6th form, 1 went to manchester polytechnic, 1 salford university, 1 liverpool university, 2 accrington & rossendale college after leaving school. We all went to the same school well nearly all - it changed names in 1973 so basically it was the same school. Haslingden Secondary/Haslingden High ....... Now we werent rich by any means ... and if anyone knew my dad ...which jaysay might remember him from many years ago ... seeing as it was 23 years since he died last week... my mum and dad never paid for any of our education - we went through school and did our best. They backed us all the way and if we wanted to stay on at school then they supported us - but if we wanted spending money after the age of 16 then we had to have a part time job. In actual fact i got a paper round and thought i was in the money - and dad stopped my pocket money after i started the paper round! The above includes my nieces and nephews and they were treated exactly the same when they finished school ... thats why 1 is at salford uni at the minute, another trained as a nanny - when a job fell through she retrained as a teacher at Liverpool uni, 1 went into the 6th form ..did his a levels and is now working for lancashire county council ... on an apprentice scheme ... and doing a good job to. They all have or had part time jobs going through uni and 6th form.

Thing is though we made it through with the backing of parents and grandparents ... how many kids nowadays will have that ... with divorce, separation, or just being with a single parent ... Thats the problem ... we had discipline growing up from both parents .... now they dont.

[shillelagh]

Oh and before anyone says that im having a go at single parents im not - i know quite a lot of single parents who have done a good job.

The difference being 30/40 years ago you had never heard of divorce ... it was rare round here. Kids were brought up in a 2 parent home. A lot of kids might spend saturday with their dad, but do they know their dads parents the same as what we knew ours .... In otherwords the family breakdown as got a lot to do with it ... as well as tv, and dont forget computer games and playstation and xbox etc ...