Kids of today - Page 5

thomas_045 · 26-01-2006, 17:15

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Originally Posted by jimmi5bellies

Easier said than done on this street, hers is a small car and she parks behind a motorbike, when my fella comes up at night in his car the only place available is right outside my flat where they like to play football.

Take up football as a hobby. And use their car as a goal post. The mother will soon have her kids stop when she knows the damage it does. Or call the police.. sup' to you.

Madhatter · 26-01-2006, 19:14

I'm suggesting you debate the options available as you are doing. We've had lots of damage done to the rear of the block around the entrance door, and because the culprits were children of the guy in the next block and their friends i ignored them in the end. I phoned the police to come out but thats was all I'd do.It wasn't our property they were damaging but it still hurt us cos were the ones who have to live here. Luckily they've gone now, and any kids I do see. I tell to get lost. Usually if they're going to do any damage it's after they think you've gone in, and when they are still in a group. I usually hang around but keep at a safe distance. I suppose we're lucky here though cos we live opposite a pub, on a quiet street in a quiet town. we don't live on an estate. http://www.atherstonebooktown.com/

Madhatter · 26-01-2006, 19:33

The problem is that those kids think they have a right to play football on the street outside their house. The haven't been tought right from wrong so think it's ok for the ball to hit your car. If you try to teach them right from wrong you'll probably have their parents on at you, and the kids cos they think, they desserve respect even though they are giving you non. It's all about parents and upbringing, as well as community attitude to it.
In my opinion community attitude and civic pride are vital in teaching parents and kids to respect their neighbours, their property, their own property, and the estate in general.
It's alright mr blair saying he's going to do this that and the other, while he sits in his nice posh house with security guards. In the real world his policies don't fix the problems.
Schools that can dissipiline would be a start, and teachers being able to feel safe to tell kids off, knowing their parents aren't going to come to the school and punch them for it. Who's fault, the schools for letting it happen, the governments for not backing the schools and teachers up, or the parents.
Giving kids something to do would be another good start and not a comunitty centre thats only there for a year cos funding runs out.
What I can't understand is this. Theres been loasds of study of troublesome teens over the years, and things that help sort the problems are well know, but hardly ever done, instea we get silly government polocies that don't tackle the real problem.

WillowTheWhisp · 26-01-2006, 23:19

Schools don't "let it happen". Schools are powerless to act. The law has seen to that.

Ber999T · 27-01-2006, 05:17

Willow I think that Mad is trying to say that the way the coumminuty itself has allowed these changes, (whether in school, street, parks or the home,) is an indicment on the way that "SOME KIDS OF TODAY" do not know what it is to EARN respect and GIVE respect [BUT they do expect to RECIEVE respect and not have to GIVE respect] as the parents don't want/have respect.

Having read this thread and some of the posts have points for both sides (young/ old respect/ disrespect) and I'm just hoping that the postings will continue and that through this post some of the younger members may become nosey enough to look via the internet at information about why Gt Britian went to war in the 1914-1918 [The War to end all Wars] and then again 1939-1945 (lets not forget the people that suffered in the Far East)!

Maybe WE elders may have to look at how WE percive our young members and maybe we could have some sort of dialog with the younger members AND learn about what it is like to be a teenager in the 21st century.

Just a thought folks :engsmil:

WillowTheWhisp · 27-01-2006, 10:36

I see what you're saying Ber but when I expressed objections to these changes as you call them I was accused of beating up my children and not treating them with respect. I hasten to add that I don't beat them, nor does anyone else but I do discipline them and I feel this is where we are going wrong. Schools are very limited in what they can do to discipline children. We may object to the laws but we cannot break them and there are plenty of people who approve of them and who would gladly see us disciplinarians punished rather than young hooligans.

Ber999T · 27-01-2006, 14:12

Willow I agree whole-heartedly with you about schools, parents etc not being allowed to punish kids for doing wrong and it is wrong that we can not protect our own property without having to be pulled into court over alleged assault charges.

I think that this has come about thanks to the PC brigade and do-goodies that don't have the problem that we have.

I also think that the party in charge will never rescind a bill so that some form of punishment can be metered out in order for schools, parents etc to regain control

Madhatter · 28-01-2006, 20:45

yep thats what I meant.

ANNE · 30-01-2006, 23:59

There are good kid's bad kid's and kid's that are somewere in-between.
Just as there have always been.
The problem is because teacher's,police and parents no longer have any Authority or controle, because of the stupid laws, that are now in place.
Now the bad kids are worse and the ones that are more mischeif makers than bad are worse simply because they know they can do it and get away with It.
There is good and bad in all of us kids included.

WillowTheWhisp · 31-01-2006, 08:41

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Originally Posted by ANNE

The problem is because teacher's,police and parents no longer have any Authority or controle, because of the stupid laws, that are now in place.
Now the bad kids are worse and the ones that are more mischeif makers than bad are worse simply because they know they can do it and get away with It.

This is the whole heart of the problem with kids and adults. You get the ones who say that those in authority should earn their respect and yet they expect to be respected no matter how they behave. And they do so because as you say Anne they know they can get away with it.

Did you see on the news the farmer who reported burglars but no police were available to investigate? He went on the local radio and mentioned that he had a shotgun (what farmer hasn't?) and police turned up to confiscate it. The burglars appear to have more rights than th burgled.