Labour Leadership Contest

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Incidentally, if he is elected leader, I can't wait until he announces his views on immigration. We'll see how his disciples on here react to them!

And what about the other 3 *******? are they likely to win n election? I think not.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by cashman

And what about the other 3 *******? are they likely to win n election? I think not.

Probably not, but Corbyn isn't going to win it for 'em, just as Michael Foot didn't in the 80's! As I say, let's see if Comrade Corbyn's elected leader, what his views are on immigration, positive discrimination, law and order and all sorts of other topics. Personally, I reckon he'll launch the sort of policies that would see him castigated as a "bleeding heart liberal do-gooder" on here, but what do I know? I'm just "brainwashed" by the press!

[cashman]

Well i am beginning to wonder.

[DaveinGermany]

Don' think Balls-Cooper is serious about getting the job really, especially as she's bumping her gums about the UK should take 10,000 of these "Asylum seekers" (and that'll be just for starters). Not so long back she was saying labour got it wrong on immigration & now she's crapping on the same doorstep again!

Unbelievable! Stupid woman.

[Wynonie Harris]

Jeremy's view on the present refugee crisis. Personally, I think he makes some fair points, but that's the bleeding heart liberal in me. I very much doubt that his fan club on here would agree.
Our leaders lack courage in this refugee crisis. We are shamed by our European neighbours - Voices - The Independent

[Margaret Pilkington]

The article is right in the observation that our leaders lack courage, but they also lack foresight too.
As for being shamed by other European countries, how can this be so...we give more money than any of these European countries....that fact that it is not making a difference is down to how it is being used(or abused).
Refugees who think that they can storm trains, camp outside Railway stations because they do now wish to go to the countries which will take them (preferring to go to a country of their choice), show that they do not respect rules.
True refugees should claim asylum in the country where they first land...not want to make off to a country where they feel they will be more prosperous.

The picture of the little children who were drowned is tragic, but their parents put them in this position.(and the media are using these pictures to elicit an emotional response...a bit of emotional blackmail)....I do not feel in any way responsible for these people......and I am suspicious of where they come from...any one of them could in the future turn upon the country they have adopted and blow it to smithereens.

Maybe there will be those who consider this response heartless and cruel...but what we cannot give to our own needy, we cannot give to the worlds needy.
We cannot take in all the waifs and strays of the world.
Already I feel a stranger in my own land. I walked from my mothers today and along the way passed six or seven people...none of whom were speaking English.
This is not racism or xenophobia, I am just stating a non PC fact.

[maxthecollie]

Very true words Margaret.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Thank you Frank....I was expecting lots of the red stuff.

I do not think we can afford to led by our emotions on this issue.
What really needs to be done is stabilisation of the situation by stopping these migrants before they reach other countries. There needs to be a military presence off the coasts of departure......the boats have to be turned back before anymore unfortunate children are drowned, the people who exploit these unfortunate people at the tune of 2000 euro per person need to be caught......the unsafe boats that they are using need to be holed and put right out of action.
The money that is being given by the british government(ie...our money) needs to be spent on refugee camps with better facilities....it is no paltry sum...it is 1 billion pounds.
If it had not been for lily livered politicians and the short sighted EU and the Schengen agreement, then the situation would not be what it is.
If these so called refugees cannot accept that there have to be rules, it is unlikely that they will want to abide by the rules in whatever country they end up in.......they expect the rules to be fashioned to accommodate their needs and desires, and we have seen where that leads.

Accept more refugees and more will set sail knowing that they will be taken in.......and where do you draw the line?

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Jeremy's view on the present refugee crisis. Personally, I think he makes some fair points, but that's the bleeding heart liberal in me. I very much doubt that his fan club on here would agree.
Our leaders lack courage in this refugee crisis. We are shamed by our European neighbours - Voices - The Independent

Weird ain’t it….that a few days after a heart rending photograph…Cameron is now doing exactly what ‘Jeremy’ is banging on about in the piece that you quote…because, suddenly, it’s no longer ultra left wing rhetoric, it’s political expediency.

Then again Cameron is kinda screwed here, because his ‘austerity’ and ‘big society’ policies, which have seen a 40% cut in county council budgets with another 40% scheduled by 2020, (that’s £2 to spend on the aged, disabled, sick and needy where there used to be £10). Where our councils are battling with our NHS over who should fund those in need because of funding cuts and unrealistic targets. All of which has left our social infrastructure totally unable to deal with a further influx of people demanding services and jobs…

But hey..this is the Prime Minister who promotes the guy who claims for moat cleaning on his (tax payer paid) expenses to the House of Lords (on a £300 a day plus expenses wage).

For every stupid or unsavoury thing that you can dredge up damning Corbyn, I can double with Cameron and his cronies, when you ask about his policies, I can point you to lack of policy and broken pledges from this government…unfortunately I don’t have the readership of the Tory loving media

[Guinness]

Meanwhile our 'labour' MP takes photos of clouds on Hambledon Hill and complains about online betting sites *sigh*

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Weird ain’t it….that a few days after a heart rending photograph…Cameron is now doing exactly what ‘Jeremy’ is banging on about in the piece that you quote…because, suddenly, it’s no longer ultra left wing rhetoric, it’s political expediency.

Then again Cameron is kinda screwed here, because his ‘austerity’ and ‘big society’ policies, which have seen a 40% cut in county council budgets with another 40% scheduled by 2020, (that’s £2 to spend on the aged, disabled, sick and needy where there used to be £10). Where our councils are battling with our NHS over who should fund those in need because of funding cuts and unrealistic targets. All of which has left our social infrastructure totally unable to deal with a further influx of people demanding services and jobs…

But hey..this is the Prime Minister who promotes the guy who claims for moat cleaning on his (tax payer paid) expenses to the House of Lords (on a £300 a day plus expenses wage).

For every stupid or unsavoury thing that you can dredge up damning Corbyn, I can double with Cameron and his cronies, when you ask about his policies, I can point you to lack of policy and broken pledges from this government…unfortunately I don’t have the readership of the Tory loving media

Quite right, and if Corbin is elected Labour leader, Cameron and his cronies are going to have the freedom to carry right on with their "lack of policy and broken pledges", for at least the next ten years because there's no way Labour are going to achieve power in 2020 with Corbin at the helm. By 2025, it'll probably be too late anyway, the NHS and the welfare state will have been largely dismantled and there'll be very little left to save. The Labour party really needs to wake up and smell the coffee by coming up with a potential leader who's electable. Alan Johnson would be my choice, but if doesn't want to, who knows?

[JCB]

A poet , she was born in Kenya in 1988 to Somali parents, Warsan Shire was raised and still lives in London......this is one of her poems......

no one leaves home unless
home is the mouth of a shark
you only run for the border
when you see the whole city running as well

your neighbours running faster than you
breath bloody in their throats
the boy you went to school with
who kissed you dizzy behind the old tin factory
is holding a gun bigger than his body
you only leave home
when home won’t let you stay.

no one leaves home unless home chases you
fire under feet
hot blood in your belly
it’s not something you ever thought of doing
until the blade burnt threats into
your neck
and even then you carried the anthem under
your breath
only tearing up your passport in an airport toilets
sobbing as each mouthful of paper
made it clear that you wouldn’t be going back.

you have to understand,
that no one puts their children in a boat
unless the water is safer than the land
no one burns their palms
under trains
beneath carriages
no one spends days and nights in the stomach of a truck
feeding on newspaper unless the miles travelled
means something more than journey.
no one crawls under fences
no one wants to be beaten
pitied

no one chooses refugee camps
or strip searches where your
body is left aching
or prison,
because prison is safer
than a city of fire
and one prison guard
in the night
is better than a truckload
of men who look like your father
no one could take it
no one could stomach it
no one skin would be tough enough

the
go home blacks
refugees
dirty immigrants
asylum seekers
sucking our country dry
niggers with their hands out
they smell strange
savage
messed up their country and now they want
to mess ours up
how do the words
the dirty looks
roll off your backs
maybe because the blow is softer
than a limb torn off

or the words are more tender
than fourteen men between
your legs
or the insults are easier
to swallow
than rubble
than bone
than your child body
in pieces.
i want to go home,
but home is the mouth of a shark
home is the barrel of the gun
and no one would leave home
unless home chased you to the shore
unless home told you
to quicken your legs
leave your clothes behind
crawl through the desert
wade through the oceans
drown
save
be hunger
beg
forget pride
your survival is more important

no one leaves home until home is a sweaty voice in your ear
saying-
leave,
run away from me now
i dont know what i’ve become
but i know that anywhere
is safer than here

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by JCB

A poet , she was born in Kenya in 1988 to Somali parents, Warsan Shire was raised and still lives in London....

Kenya has been independent since Dec 1963, so the wicked English can't be blamed for her "persecution" on this one. Added to that, she was raised in & around London, so how much actual experience does she have of the tribulations she's espousing?

I'm sorry mate, but my sympathy mode has been jerked around & pished about with so much, that my empathy levels are flat lining for the worlds poor, needy & desperate.

That aside, getting back to Corbyn, he may be popular with those of a certain leaning, but in the end it's same old, same old, tedious self serving politicoes looking out for themselves.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

That aside, getting back to Corbyn, he may be popular with those of a certain leaning, but in the end it's same old, same old, tedious self serving politicoes looking out for themselves.

So Jeremy Corbyn is a same old , tedious , self-serving politico looking out for himself ?

So were there ever any politicians who were not the same , old , tedious , self-serving politicoes looking out for themselves ?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by JCB

So were there ever any politicians who were not the same , old , tedious , self-serving politicoes looking out for themselves ?

Yep i could name some n no doubt you could, few n far between,granted, but many people, including me, get to a stage were they can all get stuffed.