Labour's real legacy

[cmonstanley]

i remember the sun saying turn out the lights if thats not influencing

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i remember the sun saying turn out the lights if thats not influencing

The press barons will say whatever you want.

If you gave the ability to stick your nose up their arses for long enough.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by garinda

The press barons will say whatever you want.

If you gave the ability to stick your nose up their arses for long enough.

he musta forgot that un.

[cmonstanley]

yep the blair witch project

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

The press barons will say whatever you want.

If you gave the ability to stick your nose up their arses for long enough.

The press barons will say whatever you want.

If you have the ability to stick your nose up their arses for long enough.



Why do I only see my glaring mistakes after the edit button's vanished?

I blame politicans, and the cuts.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by garinda

We do make choices, and therefore are supplied with what others think will satisfy those choices.

I agree with some of what you say. But I must be in a minority Because I do not choose most of the things you have mentioned. When the choices are poor(because all the parties are so similar) then really you are left with no choice
Lots of people missed the bit where the Labour party became a pale version of the tory party(just so that the public would elect it)...they still labour under the misconception that because it is the Labour party, then surely that means they hold socialist values.
They vote for an ideology that no longer exists as a mainstream party. Tony Blair and his new Labour was the best tory government we have had for a long time. No wonder Margaret Thatcher liked him.

[Wynonie Harris]

There seem to be a lot of Accywebbers who wish the Labour party would return to its leftwing socialist roots.

This puzzles me slightly, as it appears to me that socialism is about far more than just a fair deal for the working man, protecting the NHS and the welfare state etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read, leftwing socialism in the UK includes a liberal attitude towards immigration including a sympathetic approach to asylum seekers, an emphasis on rehabilitation rather than retributive punishment for criminals, a generally positive approach towards the EU (an "internationalist" approach as Bernard once pointed out) and an observance of what many on here would perceive as PC attitudes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising any of the above opinions (in this particular discussion). In fact, as a part-time Accyweb bleeding heart liberal, I might even agree with some of them. But I would've thought they would've been total anathema for a lot of the people who are calling for a return to socialism.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I agree with some of what you say. But I must be in a minority Because I do not choose most of the things you have mentioned. When the choices are poor(because all the parties are so similar) then really you are left with no choice
Lots of people missed the bit where the Labour party became a pale version of the tory party(just so that the public would elect it)

You'll always have a few die-hard party faithful.

However lots of people didn't miss the formation of the new look New Labour, as they won on one of the biggest swings in history, after years in the wilderness.

Just as the Tories did, when they changed to be more appealing, after being written off by many as unelectable.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

There seem to be a lot of Accywebbers who wish the Labour party would return to its leftwing socialist roots.

This puzzles me slightly, as it appears to me that socialism is about far more than just a fair deal for the working man, protecting the NHS and the welfare state etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read, leftwing socialism in the UK includes a liberal attitude towards immigration including a sympathetic approach to asylum seekers, an emphasis on rehabilitation rather than retributive punishment for criminals, a generally positive approach towards the EU (an "internationalist" approach as Bernard once pointed out) and an observance of what many on here would perceive as PC attitudes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising any of the above opinions (in this particular discussion). In fact, as a part-time Accyweb bleeding heart liberal, I might even agree with some of them. But I would've thought they would've been total anathema for a lot of the people who are calling for a return to socialism.

Socialism is dead.

I doubt there are many who mourn it's passing.

It was basically flawed, in that the majority of people don't like being equal to everyone else.

Human nature dictates those people like to think they are better than others.

[garinda]

Jesus was a socialist.

However the Christian church had to airbrush that concept, in order to make it appealing to the masses.

Otherwise it would never have caught on with many.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Socialism is dead.

I doubt there are many who mourn it's passing.

It was basically flawed, in that the majority of people don't like being equal to everyone else.

Human nature dictates those people like to think they are better than others.

You could well be right about the death of socialism G. especially when, before the last election, Tony Benn said, when asked if it was time to move back to socialism he said no, those days are behind us now

[Neil]

Originally Posted by entwisi

I have interviewed uni grads that cant spell simple words or hold a decent conversation, they seem to believe they are "owed" a job yet they are in no way fit for employment. The simple fact its that uni should be for the cream of the crop, not a way to hide youth unemployment.....

Very true. I did not go to uni, I could have but I did not think I was smart enough and wanted to start working. I have done ok by hard work and continually trying to better myself so I dont think I missed out.

The problem with almost forcing people to go to uni for sometimes pointless courses is there are no jobs for them at the end of it.

We have a shortage of craftsmen and labourers in this country because everyone thinks they need to go to uni. These jobs are being picked up by people from other countries but we still have a large number of unemployed people. Its a bit stupid and that is being kind.

[JCB]

Originally Posted by garinda

Socialism is dead.

And we are stuck with Capitalism .

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

Very true. I did not go to uni, I could have but I did not think I was smart enough and wanted to start working. I have done ok by hard work and continually trying to better myself so I dont think I missed out.

The problem with almost forcing people to go to uni for sometimes pointless courses is there are no jobs for them at the end of it.

We have a shortage of craftsmen and labourers in this country because everyone thinks they need to go to uni. These jobs are being picked up by people from other countries but we still have a large number of unemployed people. Its a bit stupid and that is being kind.

Think that a fair assessment of the situation Neil, when I was at school only a very few went on to Uni were pupils those pupils who attended the Grammar school or Girls High school, very few went from schools such as Holy Family (Mt Carmel) Rhyddings St. Christopher's, Hollins, Norden it just didn't happen, which meant more people went into local jobs joiners bricklayers plumbers and the like, and without seeming sexist in those days it was generally thought that women, although they would get a job when leaving school they would usually get married and be the home maker and bring up the kids, but its not so today and I think society is better for it in that respect.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by JCB

And we are stuck with Capitalism .

As is the world JCB