Last Nights Council Meeting

[g jones]

Originally Posted by jaysay

What would you know about leadership Bernard you've always been a bit part player, voting how your told to

Bernard is the senior member of the Council and you perhaps could show a little more respect. I also want people to speak to their mind and Bernard does that in spades. A great councillor with his heart set on the betterment of Hyndburn, not like The Leader with his head set on his own personal gain and fiefdom.

All you ever post on here is the opposite of the truth which is the collapse of local Tory Party. It's in it's dying days. People are fed up and want a positive agenda. Arguing, back stabbing, desertions, resignations, sackings, snipings have all destroyed Peter's empire.

Again, like everything else, the only narrative you have is to drag down the Labour Party to that level by made up stories.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by jaysay

What would you know about leadership Bernard you've always been a bit part player, voting how your told to

It is really ungentlemanly to say something like this unless you are prepared to provide evidence........and until evidence is provided it has to be up there with the nasty rumours and untruths.

[lindsay ormerod]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It is really ungentlemanly to say something like this unless you are prepared to provide evidence........and until evidence is provided it has to be up there with the nasty rumours and untruths.

Nasty that Jaysay, thought better of you. Bernard is a straight talking gentleman who has the courage of his convictions and the cojones to show up to support his town's football and cricket team. To me, the small voter, the one with the ballot paper, that speaks volumes.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod

Nasty that Jaysay, thought better of you. Bernard is a straight talking gentleman who has the courage of his convictions and the cojones to show up to support his town's football and cricket team. To me, the small voter, the one with the ballot paper, that speaks volumes.

Could not agree more Lindsay. Bernard has given a lifetime and his only ever wish is for the betterment of residents.

Bernard himself summed it up when he told Cllr Britcliffe that its sad the only agenda the Conservatives have is a negative one and that's not what residents want to hear. AndrewB, Jaysay, it's all negative. Bernard is resolutely positive and has been for 30 years.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It is really ungentlemanly to say something like this unless you are prepared to provide evidence........and until evidence is provided it has to be up there with the nasty rumours and untruths.

I don't really need to provide the evidence Margaret, as Mr Dawson knows that what I said is 100% true, as we were both there at the time and he was the only Labour councillor

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by g jones

Bernard is the senior member of the Council and you perhaps could show a little more respect. I also want people to speak to their mind and Bernard does that in spades. A great councillor with his heart set on the betterment of Hyndburn, not like The Leader with his head set on his own personal gain and fiefdom.

All you ever post on here is the opposite of the truth which is the collapse of local Tory Party. It's in it's dying days. People are fed up and want a positive agenda. Arguing, back stabbing, desertions, resignations, sackings, snipings have all destroyed Peter's empire.

Again, like everything else, the only narrative you have is to drag down the Labour Party to that level by made up stories.

I only post the opposite of the truth do I, party politics only exist because their are two sides to every story Graham, one sides truth is another sides lies, and you and your Ilk are not fire proof, far from it

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I don't really need to provide the evidence Margaret, as Mr Dawson knows that what I said is 100% true, as we were both there at the time and he was the only Labour councillor

I quite literally have not got a clue what you are talking about. I was the only labour councillor were?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Robert Owen

I quite literally have not got a clue what you are talking about. I was the only labour councillor were?

In a conversation between myself PB and your good self, after agreeing that a Tory amendment was a good idea, you then voted against it, when asked why, your reply was I had no choice we are told how to vote, it maybe a while ago but I tend to remember things like that, in the same way I remembered the vile abuse of an elderly Tory Lady councillor at a count

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I don't really need to provide the evidence Margaret, as Mr Dawson knows that what I said is 100% true, as we were both there at the time and he was the only Labour councillor

No, that isn't right at all. If you make an allegation then you should provide the foundation and evidence for the allegation or it must be seen as rumour and untruth because WE do not know to what you are alluding.

Your allegations detract from you, not from the person you are making the allegation about if you do not provide evidence.

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by jaysay

In a conversation between myself PB and your good self, after agreeing that a Tory amendment was a good idea, you then voted against it, when asked why, your reply was I had no choice we are told how to vote, it maybe a while ago but I tend to remember things like that, in the same way I remembered the vile abuse of an elderly Tory Lady councillor at a count

Complete nonsense. I am disappointed that you have to resort to making stories up to justify you're resorting to personal abuse of another member of Accy Web.

It isn't difficult to see why you and Peter Britcliffe get on so well together.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

in the same way I remembered the vile abuse of an elderly Tory Lady councillor at a count

Same old, same old.

You say, and I've no reason to doubt you, that this was done by a Labour supporter, note not a councillor, and it is totally unacceptable and an example of gross bad manners, but when your little pal and our council leader calls a fellow councillor an abusive name, in public and in council chambers, you refuse to condem it.

This two wrongs somehow making a right just doesn't wash, because they most certainly don't.

Maybe it is an acceptable defence to the blind party faithful, who never seem to have the strength to criticise or rebuke their own side when they've quite clearly done something wrong, but it certainly doesn't wash with us, the non-partisan electorate.

We are sick of hearing the line 'it doesn't matter we've done something wrong, because they have as well'.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Robert Owen

Complete nonsense. I am disappointed that you have to resort to making stories up to justify you're resorting to personal abuse of another member of Accy Web.

It isn't difficult to see why you and Peter Britcliffe get on so well together.

I am not personally abusing anyone, if you, as usual have a selective memory, which is somewhat a trait with members of the Labour Party then so be it, I know what I heard and I may be lot of things but I am not and have never been I liar

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I am not personally abusing anyone, if you, as usual have a selective memory, which is somewhat a trait with members of the Labour Party then so be it, I know what I heard and I may be lot of things but I am not and have never been I liar

You are very good at making unfounded allegations, that you have not one shred of evidence for.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I am not personally abusing anyone, if you, as usual have a selective memory, which is somewhat a trait with members of the Labour Party then so be it, I know what I heard and I may be lot of things but I am not and have never been I liar

We have seen on AccyWeb how often Tory supporters and Tories are willing to say the opposite of the truth and then accuse others of not telling the truth. I am disgusted that the senior member of the Council you see fit to make such an allegation.

It is becoming the pattern for a fag end of an administration and people are beginning to see it.

Even the hard right Independents are disgusted. 'Dictatorship' was the description last week by them in the Observer.

[lancsdave]

I've watched this thread develop and it was bugging me who wrote the script... at last I've found the culprits.

To you, to me, to you, to me