Lawless Society? - Page 2

rockrabbit · 18-10-2004, 16:56

our laws over here are already a joke but was only on the news last week about the e.u wanting to bring in the new jail sentence of a maximum 15 year so no doubt 10 years on good behaviour so serial killers like shipman , brady , hindley will all walk free after ten years surely no one in a right mind can possibly think sick people like these can ever be brought back to society . I personally blame labour it is getting worse since blair has taken over would our country be in the state its in if we still had someone like thatcher or at least a decent tory leader.

Busman747 · 18-10-2004, 23:32

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Originally Posted by mez

but wouldn't we all like to see some form of the birch back, its been very effective in the isle of man // why not here ?

Good job ***** is no longer viewing, he would be reduced to a quivering mess at that remark Mez (and you would have lost karma points like the rest of us lol)

Busman747 · 18-10-2004, 23:39

LAWLESS SOCIETY 2

A man in Liverpool was taken to court last week for "littering" He was fined £50-00 plus £85-00 costs. "Great" I hear you all say, but what was the "litter?".........a match!! Did the courts take into account that it is bio-degradable?

A case of "If we can't catch the criminals, we will catch the almost criminals

WillowTheWhisp · 19-10-2004, 07:35

If a match in Liverpool can be deserving of a £50 fine how much should HBC be liable for? I refer to the rubbish which finds its way into my garden every bin day. But of course there is no way our poor strapped for cash council could afford to pay any fines.

jelly baby · 19-10-2004, 12:47

A couple of years ago someone ran into my car (which was parked outside my house) causing £3,600 worth of damage. He then bounced into the car in front writing it off and caused this car to shunt into the car in front. He was arrested and charged with no tax, insurance and m.o.t. His punishment? Fined £100 for no insurance, £50 for no tax & £40 for no m.o.t. My insurance excess is £200 so not only did I have the inconvenience of 2 weeks without my car I had to pay more in excess than his fines. My insurance company pursued him for the money but as he was on benefits, he was deemed unable to pay. It makes my blood boil to think I pay £350 per annum for insurance when idiots like him get off almost scott free. I could have saved a fortune over the 25 years I have been buying insurance. If I'd have not bothered, who would know? I've had no accidents culminating in a claim.
Why don,t thecourts reflect the seriousness of the actions and fine people more than it would cost them to buy insurance? As I see it, it's worth the risk not bothering.
Jelly Baby

simon · 19-10-2004, 13:05

That's an excellent example Jelly Baby. Very sad and frustrating but prove's the point exactly...

It remind's me of when I was a Motorbiker in the late 80's I spent a lot of time with a gang of bikers near my home 95% of them nice lad's just into bike's. But I remember at the time many would talk about MOT's .. They cost about £12 to get an MOT plus repair's to get your bike up to scratch, Yet the fine was £10 for not having any MOT.....?????

So it was a huge temptation (one which I avoided) to many to break the law, due to how easy it was to escape the police on a motorbike, and if you did get caught occasionally it was still cheaper than being Legal..

The punishment attached to breaking a law should be a deterent NOT an attraction to break the said law

Until the court's etc get this under control we WILL live in a lawless society..

jelly baby · 19-10-2004, 14:04

In many ways I feel sorry for the police. They make the arrest then the courts pass a ridiculous sentence. The cop who dealt with the guy who crashed told me not to expect him to be able to pay anything for the damage he caused as he was on benefits, and the magistrates have to take this into account when dishing out the fines. Every week in the Observer you can see examples of the paltry fines given out for these sorts of crimes. It's about time the justice system was sorted out and that sentencing reflected the seriousness of the crime, and I mean ALL crime not just motoring offences.

pendy · 19-10-2004, 14:19

An idiot ran into the back of my car on the M1 in broad daylight, good visibility. Yes, there was heavy traffic and the motorway came to a standstill. However, I stopped safely, he did not. My beloved little GTi was badly bashed, and the repairs came to over £1,200. I had conversations with this loon, and he said he wanted to pay me direct, not through his insurance company, and he was expecting a legacy. I checked, and he had no insurance ....

What does this paragon do for a living? - He's a town planner. Says a lot, doesn't it!

As to punishment, I think banging up for a long period is a great idea. Prison is no joke for most people, the loss of liberty is awful, I can guarantee that - I was at a convent boarding school - made most modern prisons seem like heaven! Life should, in most cases, mean life. The person killed can't resume their life - they were not given that option. Why should their killer be?

It has to be said, however, that thieving becomes more difficult and less attractive when you have had a hand cut off for a previous offence.

pendy · 19-10-2004, 14:20

Oh, by the way, I never got a penny out of the *******!

ShortStuff · 19-10-2004, 20:21

Currently it is much easier and cheaper to live outside the law - I pay more in car insurance in a year than my car is worth. Fortunately (or unfortunately for me?) I have been brought up to have a consience and that's why I bother to pay. Just the thought of going to court is enough to deter me from breaking the law - even if it would actually work out cheaper for me.

But I can see why people don't bother when there is no deterrent. I completely agree that the punishment should fit the crime. But I don't agree that throwing everyone who has commited any crime into a small cell in a prison would be the answer. For starters, we, the law-abiding tax payer has to pay for them to be there! That brings me onto anther thing - anyone who goes to prison and has any money in the bank should have to pay their costs for being there.

-pixie · 19-10-2004, 20:27

I wouldn't mind my taxes paying for wrongdoers to be locked up, if it was actually a punishment. They have more gadgets and luxuries than I do. Who says crime doesn't pay?

WillowTheWhisp · 19-10-2004, 20:47

I wonder if it could be possible for the prisons to make the inmates earn their keep so that we the tax payers do not have to foot the bill?

If they were made to work harder and had no luxuries such as TV then maybe it would seem more like a punishment too and be more of a deterrant. I agree that there hardly seems any sense in fines which are so much less than it would ahve cost to tax the vehicle and be legal. It's no wownder unscrupulous people prefer to take the risk.

Bring back the chain gangs! Or, here's an idea, get them working cleaning the streets and tidying up town centres.

Busman747 · 19-10-2004, 22:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by mez)
but wouldn't we all like to see some form of the birch back, its been very effective in the isle of man // why not here ?
Good job ***** is no longer viewing, he would be reduced to a quivering mess at that remark Mez (and you would have lost karma points like the rest of us lol)
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Last edited by Neal : Today at 01:49. Reason: User 'Kippex' used in the post

The name is Kipax Neal, get it right!!

WillowTheWhisp · 19-10-2004, 22:40

If I'm allowed to mention his name I'd just like to say that I hope he will eventually realise that just because people didn't bring their children up the way he did it doesn't mean that we were saying he should have brought his children up our way. We just have different points of view.

I notice that although Neal edited Busman's post no-one edited Sparkologist's where he commented on tantrums etc. I believe both were posted tongue in cheek.

I haven't demanded an apology for the accusations against me of hitting my children because it's obvious that we are on a totally different wavelength when it comes to the perception of the word "smack" so come on Kippax. I know this will all be brought to your attention so can't we just agree to disagree on some things and get on with life? I'll still do things my way and you still do things your way. It works for you, it works for me. And I would still welcome the advice I asked for several times because it may come in handy under other circumstances.

WillowTheWhisp · 19-10-2004, 22:41

Oops, should that have been one P or two? Sorry if I made a mistake.