Lawless Society?

WillowTheWhisp · 17-10-2004, 17:39

Here's a great example.

He's in his mid twenties. Drives a car with no MOT, tax or insurance. He says:

"So I have an accident. So what? I'll drive a banged up car.

If it gets written off? So what. I'll get another car..

So I hit somebody else? Tough.

So I get done for no tax. What they gonna do, fine me? I won't pay it.

So what they gonna do? Send me to jail? So what. At least they'll feed me."

How do you reason with that?

Lampman · 17-10-2004, 18:47

At the risk of being non P.C.,prison is my answer.Overcrowded jails they say,build more....Outer Hebrides,if possible.
One of these scumbags crashed an uninsured car into a friend's car ,the resulting collision killed the passenger in the uninsured car and resulted in my friend receiving brain damage,he may never work again.
Sorry P.C. brigade;softly ,softly hasn't worked!

WillowTheWhisp · 17-10-2004, 20:36

What happened to your friend is awful Lampman

I can totally understand your reaction.

On Friday last we saw three cars drive through Peel Street bus station in a matter of minutes, which made me think of the 'hit and run' post on here. I did wonder if the young man I mentioned was the one driving that particular car but so far I haven't been able to find out what he currently drives. I know you can't go jumping to conclusions but you cn't help what springs to mind either can you?

I'd like to wish your friend all the best and hope he can make a recovery but it doesn't sound good from what you said.

Busman747 · 17-10-2004, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Lampman

At the risk of being non P.C.,prison is my answer.Overcrowded jails they say,build more....Outer Hebrides,if possible.

TOTALLY AGREE Lampman except.....as demonstrated in Willows post above, Prisons are way too soft on interns (thanks to Polital Correctness)
They demand and get their rights but in truth, they shouldn't have any, just the basics to see them through one day to another without the colour TV's Video's etc!!

I think your idea of building a prison in the Outer Hebredes is a great idea, Make it an open prison. NO WALLS, NO HEATING, in fact NO NOTHING!! (sorry about the double negative, but you know what I mean!) and put the Paedophiles, Rapists and Murderers in there. Lovely idea, but Europe and the PC Brigade would interfere unfortunatly.

rockrabbit · 17-10-2004, 20:49

what i find even more annoying and sorry to hear about your friend is that honest peoele pay there insurance yet when these narrowminded wastes of society walk in your back yard try and steal your motorbike and fail so they smash it up instead and then the insurance say they cant pay coz you have no witnesses . What is the point anymore in living by the law if the people or eprson who smashed my bike got caught they d get away with a slap on the wrist and no doubt would get away without paying coz they havent done a days work in there life

WillowTheWhisp · 17-10-2004, 20:51

Slap on the wrist? That would be considered assault and not allowed.

rockrabbit · 17-10-2004, 20:56

thats why in one way you have to feel sorry for todays police with what they have to put up with and at the end of it they have an hours paperwork for the person to walk off free i know quite a few who have been lancaster farm and not one of them was overly bothered about it thats why its more known as butlins holiday camp

Lampman · 17-10-2004, 21:02

Ah !Yes, Lancaster Farm, the pinnacle of achievment for the young yob......they openly boast of the wish to go there(don't get me started).
Thousands upon thousands of pounds per year/per person are spent in an attempt to keep these young yobs out of the establishment,only to fail and have them boast of their success.

rockrabbit · 17-10-2004, 21:23

lancaster farm , strangeways they are all the same no matter how much time they serve it makes no difference they all know the law cant touch them in one way is capital punishment a bad thing or at least bring the birch back look at the isle of man fair enough its a low population but the crime levels where non existent when the birch was still in effect

Gobsmacked · 17-10-2004, 21:35

Oh there is so much I could say on this subject. Prison is no longer a punishment it is a rehabilitation, or so they would like us to believe. Who are they fooling?

Two young murderers have been given the very best of educational opportunities and a whole new life upon release. They ahae in effect been rewarded for their crime because they would not otherwise have had such opportunities.

Meanwhile the lives of those they have ruined (an I do not use that term loosely) spiral ever downwards. Victim support? Don't make me laugh. Criminal Injuries Compensation Board? I once said it should be renamed 'Injured Criminals Compensation Board' because it seems they are the ones who benefit. No longer can we say "crime doesn't pay" when we have evidence all around us that not only does it pay but it pays a damn site better than anything many honest citizens are ever likely to see.

No doubt there will be many who disagree with us but I think you have a valid point rockrabbit. In countries where there is a physical deterrant (ie something which is going to hurt) there tends to be less crime. The Isle of Man is a classic example

Busman747 · 17-10-2004, 22:17

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Originally Posted by rockrabbit

or at least bring the birch back look at the isle of man fair enough its a low population but the crime levels where non existent when the birch was still in effect

Rockrabbit, There are SO many people agree with you, not only on this site but throughout the country.........Unfortunately, we are all dominated by the PC Bridgade and NOTHING is going to reverse this trend except a totally right-wing government which would cause more problems than we have at the moment!

What we need is a government that rejects European law, puts victims before the criminal, and gives confidence back to the British (no matter what colour or ethnic origin)

If a person rapes, condemn him/her (yes, Women can rape too) to hell!
If a person is found not to be British,(as in having a valid passport) or speaks anti-British slogans...DEPORT immediately!! (Antarctica sounds good!)
Let anyone who is law abiding live in peace with the knowledge that they are being protected by the government that will not tolerate violence/murder/rape/guns.

AND THEN I WOKE UP.......What a lovely dream, but it does not take into account the greed of politicians, (you only have to look at the bonuses they vote to give themselves)

Maybe the "birch" is too strong for misdemeaneurs but the only way out of this spiral is for a government that is strong enough to stand up against the PC Brigade, stand up against European madness and to respect the rights of lawful individuals to live their lives in safety.

As of now, there is no such party that offer us this, Only one comes close and they are racially predudice and must NEVER come to power! (Hitler, stay in hell!)

If such a party emerged, and one that I could trust) they would have my vote every time!

Bazf · 17-10-2004, 23:16

My dad got side swiped on Burnley rd, just passed the Hapton Inn is an Indian resturant and a Pakistani came out without looking and ran right in to the side of him the police said the guy was in the wrong and summond him for dangerous driving, undue care and attention, not giving way to a vehicle on a main rd, Not having a valid driving licence (it turned out to be his brothers) NO insurance plus a couple of other charges, The guy said he would pay for all repairs on my dads car and signed a bit of paper the cop gave him to that effect,a copy my dad keeps as a souvenir, When he went to court the guy did not turn up, seems he had left the country and there was nothing anyone could do, the cop said it happens all the time and he would have liked to have arrested the guy on the spot but his hands were tied, no one was hurt badly and by law he has to take the mans word he would pay or be heavily fined when he came to court. It cost a 2000 pounds for the repairs.

Gobsmacked · 17-10-2004, 23:42

Nice dream Busman but welcome back to the nightmare.

I concurr that certain party should never gain control of this country but I fear they might - this is what tends to happen when the pendulum has swung too far in one direction, it will swing back even further the other way. People will reach a point where they can take no more.

mez · 18-10-2004, 00:10

but wouldn't we all like to see some form of the birch back, its been very effective in the isle of man // why not here ?

Darby · 18-10-2004, 06:40

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Originally Posted by mez

but wouldn't we all like to see some form of the birch back, its been very effective in the isle of man // why not here ?

Use to be Mez..use to be. Been banned in the IOM for some considerable time. Initially, it was theoretically possible, but with the advent of the European Human Rights Act.....banned!!!

Nobody should have human rights without human responsibilities. :engsmil: :engsmil:

Punishment should fit the crime :engsmil: :engsmil:

Political Correctness must first be banned, and then thrown away!

BIRCHING?

When I joined the Royal Navy as a 15 year old, we had a severe punishment called "CUTS" which was a birch rod applied to the bare bum. The offender has either 6, 9 or 12 CUTS awarded as punishment for crimes such as Stealing, Going AWOL, Insubordination, fighting, and possessing an offensive weapon (Seamans knives were issued and OK). We had some real hard cases form London, Liverpool and Glasgow....but I only ever remember 1 getting that punishment more than once....simply ...it worked. I also remember going to the IOM with a gang of lads from Accy, 17 of us. We ran into a bit of trouble with some tough nuts from Glasgow (Glasgow Holiday fortnight) and we nearly came to blows. What stopped us, was the threat of the birch, which at the time (1965) was used to great effect in the IOM. Again...it worked.

I think all young people who offend should have one chance...and then the ceiling should fall in on them. Prison is not what it should be....hard labour is more like it. Fair but hard. Any priviledges (extra blankets, more food, books to read..and limited to that) must be earned. Any drugs will immediately mean loss of priviledges...and extra hard labour, or cold turkey for a year!

The problems have been exacerbated by the pollies, and the PC brigade who themselves should do hard labour for leading this country into the mess it has become.

But most of all...the law has to be seen to be done, and justice for the victim is paramount!