Leader of The Labour Party - Page 9

cashman · 29-09-2010, 07:50

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I listened with interest to the speech from Milliband Junior.......and while there was much said that struck a chord wwith the likes of you and me(like...the war was wrong), there was nothing put forward as to how changes were going to be effected......so, 'fine words butter no parsnips'.....and as I have remarked in the past when you are in opposition, you can say what you like, your words are unlikely to be tested until you get into power, and then it is a whole different ball game.

whilst that is quite right, i would assume not the object at this particular moment, the object must be to win back the 5 million or so that switched to the scum in power, plus attract some who can't be arsed to vote, meself being one of those, from my own point of view yesterday was a damn good start.

he aint home n dry , but going the right way.IMHO.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-09-2010, 08:07

Yes Cashy I take your point, but my point was that they all talk the talk when they are in opposition, but seem to have few strategies which allow them to capitalise on the fine words spouted in opposition to turn them into reality when in power.

Ed Milliband may bring in some of those floating voters...he may even round up some of the old Labour supporters, as his points of view do seem to be more in keeping with socialist ideology........and if he does manage to inject some enthusiasm for politics into the younger members of society then he will be a worthy leader.
We just have to sit back and watch....and wait to see the unfolding of a new era(perhaps).

cashman · 29-09-2010, 08:11

agree margaret, am slightly optimistic fer the first time fer many years, hope he can deliver.

Margaret Pilkington · 29-09-2010, 08:13

Cashy, I hope you are right.

Wynonie Harris · 30-09-2010, 00:38

Gordon Bennett!...what's happened?...I turn my attention to other things (music, beer, barbecue, sunshine) and suddenly two of my most trusted fellow cynics, Margaret and Cashy, are starting to show signs of being beguiled by another charlatan bearing yet more empty promises.

Ed Milliband?...are you joking?...yet ANOTHER of the political chattering classes...never had a proper job in his life...and you really think he's going to understand the concerns and feelings of ordinary people?

Sheeesh!...I'm off for more beer!

Mancie · 30-09-2010, 01:04

Ed Milliband comes across a an honest bloke.. honest to the point as being politically niave, but I'm sure that will change over the next five years... there's no way he is the "Red Ed" union puppet the media have tried to portray.. in my opinion no matter how good a leader of labour he may turn out to be, if the newspapers don't like his policies then it will be 10 yrs of Tory rule.

Mancie · 30-09-2010, 04:04

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes Cashy I take your point, but my point was that they all talk the talk when they are in opposition, but seem to have few strategies which allow them to capitalise on the fine words spouted in opposition to turn them into reality when in power.

Ed Milliband may bring in some of those floating voters...he may even round up some of the old Labour supporters, as his points of view do seem to be more in keeping with socialist ideology........and if he does manage to inject some enthusiasm for politics into the younger members of society then he will be a worthy leader.
We just have to sit back and watch....and wait to see the unfolding of a new era(perhaps).

We?..we have to sit back and watch?.. on this forum Margaret you have been (backed up with the outright Tory Jaysay).. the most vocal supporter of a destroying right wing Government not yet seen in living memory.. and all of a sudden you want to hark back to a new era of socialism.. I'll tell you now..I find you a hypocrite and someone who posts when they feel the tide flows in thier favour.

Margaret Pilkington · 30-09-2010, 06:46

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Originally Posted by Mancie

We?..we have to sit back and watch?.. on this forum Margaret you have been (backed up with the outright Tory Jaysay).. the most vocal supporter of a destroying right wing Government not yet seen in living memory.. and all of a sudden you want to hark back to a new era of socialism.. I'll tell you now..I find you a hypocrite and someone who posts when they feel the tide flows in thier favour.

No Mancie, you are wrong about what I want. I have said many times on this forum that what I want is a politician who will listen to the people who elected them........and follow their wishes. I want a political party that is honest and doesn't screw the taxpayers for every penny we have, so that they can live the high life, while the electorate struggles with the everyday expense of life.

I have said that the New Labour government...you know, that crew who made the mightiest mess of this country by not listening to the concerns of people who feared immigration was going to become a Frankenstein monster.....by allowing the banks to participate in dodgy practices....knew about it for months but did nothing......that led us to believe there would be no more boom and bust, that gave youngsters the idea that university and a degree would ensure they had a chance of a good job, but failed to tell them that they would be saddled with a huge debt for many many years.......I said that New Labour were not the socialist animal you portrayed it to be.......I didn't vote with my heart......OK I didn't vote at all, but when I do find a party that I feel can do the job in hand, I will vote with my head.....thinking about what kind of country I want to live in, and the kind of country I want children to grow up in and feel proud.

You can call me a hypocrite if you want, but I know who the true hypocrite is.

Many times I have told you that I support no political party......not the tories, not Labour, not the LIB dems......not the BNP, the Green party or any other....so do not by your post affiliate me to any of them.
What part of this do you not understand?

And Steve, don't let a single comment about this Milliband bloke fool you........I will watch and wait......as I have said you can talk the talk when in opposition, but it is what you do when in power that proves/disproves ability

Mancie · 30-09-2010, 07:24

I reckon from your posts that you do support the new Government and the cuts they propose... you've defended this government when talking about defence cuts, cuts in police and cuts in benifits.. you've told us this Government must have had good advice when making these cuts.. . now if you change yer tune fair enough..just be honest and tell us!

Margaret Pilkington · 30-09-2010, 08:00

Mancie......I will support any government which has the guts to get us out of this mess we are in......and whatever you may think I support no particular government or party.
I do not follow any ideology or dogma. I use my mind to decide who is worthy of my vote...so far nobody wins.

cashman · 30-09-2010, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Mancie

I reckon from your posts that you do support the new Government and the cuts they propose... you've defended this government when talking about defence cuts, cuts in police and cuts in benifits.. you've told us this Government must have had good advice when making these cuts.. . now if you change yer tune fair enough..just be honest and tell us!

Seems to me yer making the same mistake "New Labour" made n they became "Unelectable"

Mancie · 30-09-2010, 08:37

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Mancie......I will support any government which has the guts to get us out of this mess we are in......and whatever you may think I support no particular government or party.
I do not follow any ideology or dogma. I use my mind to decide who is worthy of my vote...so far nobody wins.

Really.. it's all down to guts? ..ok you did not vote but you have supported this Government since they were elected..you've got the guts of someone who could not even stick a cross on paper.... but you have no problem making posts on hoping the parties can encourage young people to vote .. I'll stick with the hypocrite I say you are.

Mancie · 30-09-2010, 08:46

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Originally Posted by cashman

Seems to me yer making the same mistake "New Labour" made n they became "Unelectable"

New Labour were electable .. they won 3 elections.. maybe Gordon Brown was not electable but most of that was down to the press.. lets face it people who read the Mail, Sun, Express ain't to blessed in the brain department.

cashman · 30-09-2010, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Mancie

New Labour were electable .. they won 3 elections.. maybe Gordon Brown was not electable but most of that was down to the press.. lets face it people who read the Mail, Sun, Express ain't to blessed in the brain department.

Disagree, they were electable, but became unelectable before Brown took charge. IMHO. anyone could have replaced Blair n they still would have got stuffed, only a balloon would think any different. P.S. thats "Why" they lost, just can't see it.

Mancie · 30-09-2010, 09:00

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Originally Posted by cashman

Disagree, they were electable, but became unelectable before Brown took charge. IMHO. anyone could have replaced Blair n they still would have got stuffed, only a balloon would think any different. P.S. thats "Why" they lost, just can't see it.

Yes there was no chance .. but Labour lost on 33% of the vote .. Tories won on 38% and only have a majority with the Lib-Dems....a lose for Labour.. but taking into account the intense media propaganda in favour of the Tories I would not say that was really getting "stuffed" .