Legalise "Illegal" Drugs? - Page 36

jaysay · 06-02-2012, 09:53

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Originally Posted by Wrighty

I have never heard of any one jumping from a window after taking LSD .. so dunno where you get that from

Have you not um how old are you, obviously you weren't around in the sixties, trips on LSD were often reported as causing needless deaths, seems generations don't learn

jaysay · 06-02-2012, 09:58

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Originally Posted by garinda

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Well not to those with half a brain.

Well that does become very obvious by those who actually think that these substances does no harm, there is one thing for sure start on drugs and the craving will always be there, I have drunk alcohol since being a teenager, and a 65 I can still take it or leave it

cashman · 06-02-2012, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

There appears to be a strong body of opinion expressed here that holds that all controlled substances are bad and should be shunned as tools of the Devil and a danger to the young and impressionable. It is hard not to concurr. But in the interest of fairness I think it should be pointed out that the issue here is the abuse of substances rather than the use of substances per se.

Abuse typically occurrs when a substance is used either to excess or in ways other than originally intended.

There is a large and growing body of evidence to suggest that Controlled substances of whatever class have good, positive and life saving properties when used in the correct context and under supervision. MDMA (Ecstacy) is finding increasing use in the treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, LSD is more effective at treating the problems of Alcohol withdrawal than standard therapies. THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis is used to combat the pain associated with degenerative conditions such as Arthritis with none of the noxious side effects of anti-inflamatory drug regimes. The analgesic properties of Cocaine and its derivatives have long been known and made use of in dentristry, among other branches of medicine.

What is not addressed by this discussion, or any other discussion I have heard over the last forty years, is why our young are so attracted to court the obvious dangers of substance abuse? Why are they so impelled to seek temporary release from everyday life? What is it about the qualities of our society that they find so oppressive or restrictive that they are prepared to spend large sums of money in funding criminal enterprise for a period of respite or escape?

How have we failed our young?

And, if so many of them are so affected, often at the risk of their health and lives, what are we going to do about changing our society to make such substance abuse unecessary?

It strikes me that in reaching for the 'BANNED' stamp, we are dodging the real issues.

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Thing is/was wi L.S.D. Bob They were micro-dot tablets back in the day, n yeh certainly did,nt use in excess or in other ways, twas a simple matter of a "Good Trip" or a "Bad Un" Its the bad uns that could lead to loss of life or serious injury.

Acrylic-bob · 06-02-2012, 11:24

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

garinda · 06-02-2012, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

Less · 06-02-2012, 11:50

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Originally Posted by garinda

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

I had a bad trip many years ago, went to Bangor, everywhere was shut and it was chucking it down.

The song, the day we went to Bangor came out not long afterward, I always have a bit of a grimace when I hear it.

Acrylic-bob · 06-02-2012, 11:54

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Originally Posted by garinda

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

Several times. I have acted as 'chaperone' for friends who have indulged and I will readily admit that a 'bad trip' is not easy to deal with. Does that invalidate my argument?.

cashman · 06-02-2012, 12:06

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

Dunno if yer aware Bob, but the first Lsd to arrive in accy, was certainly top quality,and consistent, which i'm cetain yeh would agree,if yeh knew were it was manufactured, there were still bad trips wi that, after a couple of years or so, it started being produced oer the "Moss" n then was allsorts of crap wi it.

n yes bad uns were more frequent wi that stuff,

Acrylic-bob · 06-02-2012, 12:10

Which sort of proves my point. once the variables of manufacture are reduced the only variables which remain are within the make up of the individual consumer.

garinda · 06-02-2012, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Several times. I have acted as 'chaperone' for friends who have indulged and I will readily admit that a 'bad trip' is not easy to deal with. Does that invalidate my argument?.

No.

Though I stand by my statement that taking LSD is like playing Russian roulette.

Same batch, same dose, two people who seem equally matched, mood wise.

One will consider the experience pleasurable.

The other will be in a living nightmare, that could last until the next day.

If everyone's on the psychedelic rood to La-la land, there might not be anyone to safely chaperone that person through their bad trip, or at least attempt to.

You can't fly birdy.

Though your chance might be improved if you didn't have a man's hand rammed up you.

cashman · 06-02-2012, 12:19

Sorry Bob have to disagree on that, Whist i agree it can effect one, due to state of mind at the time.

garinda · 06-02-2012, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Which sort of proves my point. once the variables of manufacture are reduced the only variables which remain are within the make up of the individual consumer.

Especially with acid, the effects have nothing to do with quality control, or the dose.

Repeating myself again.

Thr biggest risk, to those who seek thrills from 'recreational' drugs, is that very soon the body gets accustomed to whichever drug is being used, and this can lead the person to either increase the usage, or move on to stronger drugs, in order to replicate the initial euphoria.

Once you've had crack, there's no going back.

***Mr D*** · 06-02-2012, 13:36

I have already posted what my thoughts are on this subject.

I see the usual typical sniping is going on.

Garinda can I ask where you helped these 100s of heroin addicts.

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Originally Posted by garinda

Same here, and in my experience dealing with hundred of young people addicted to heroin, I never came across one user whose very first drug was heroin.

They all started off taking 'softer' drugs.

Most peoples first drug wouldn't be Heroin, as they will probably be young when they try there first substance and wouldn't have the contacts.

You could class Alcohol as a gateway drug, a lot of the young people I know tried there first drugs E / Speed / Coke, Ect whilst out clubbing. But Alcohol is good??

As for this take LSD and think you can fly rubbish, where does this information come from. (Urban Myth).

kestrelx · 06-02-2012, 14:17

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Originally Posted by garinda

Haven't you?

It's not an uncommon reaction to the narcotic, thinking you can fly, whilst on an acid trip.

Sadly, many find out too late, that they can't.

Anthony Stewart (17) jumped through a hotel window and fell seven stories to his death after taking LSD - MyDeathSpace.com

Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with a few more of the facts, before publicly labelling LSD as a 'safe recreational drug'.

We have young members on this forum.

I sincerely hope none of them take any notice of your imbecilic advice.

The article says the Police "think" he had taken LSD! Think is not know! He may have taken LSD and mixed it with other stuff - if they don't know for sure it could have been Angel Dust or some other substance!

garinda · 06-02-2012, 14:22

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

I have already posted what my thoughts are on this subject.

I see the usual typical sniping is going on.

Garinda can I ask where you helped these 100s of heroin addicts.

Most peoples first drug wouldn't be Heroin, as they will probably be young when they try there first substance and wouldn't have the contacts.

You could class Alcohol as a gateway drug, a lot of the young people I know tried there first drugs E / Speed / Coke, Ect whilst out clubbing. But Alcohol is good??

As for this take LSD and think you can fly rubbish, where does this information come from. (Urban Myth).

Er...London, and Glasgow.

Though I can't think what their geographical location has to do anything. Well, unless you're off your tree.

As for where the information came from, regarding people thinking they can fly, after taking LSD, try Googling it.

Besides the news report I gave the link for, of the seventeen year old boy falling to his death, there's very sadly many, many other reported cases of this happening.

I'm begining to see a bit of a pattern developing here, regarding those who extol the pleasures of recreational drug taking.

Highly strung, and not very bright.

Perhaps that's the dealers' idea of the perfect customer.