Lets hope it works!!!

[Bonnyboy]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Although it's a ridicolous decision just taking Burnley & Nelson in to account, it should also be remembered that this scheme covers places like Barnoldswick & Earby which even to Burnley was at least 20 minutes on a good day.

I read in a local rag some 18 months ago that there would be nobody farther than 10mins. away from The Royal Blackburn. A mate of mine lives on a farm in Trawden, so the 10min rule is rubbish. It takes more than 10mins. to get through Colne (on a good day) Even in a fast car from the end of the motorway at Colne, to get to Blackburn in 10mins is pushing it.

The bottom line here is that some poor soul will lose their life. It's madness.

[panther]

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

I read in a local rag some 18 months ago that there would be nobody farther than 10mins. away from The Royal Blackburn. A mate of mine lives on a farm in Trawden, so the 10min rule is rubbish. It takes more than 10mins. to get through Colne (on a good day) Even in a fast car from the end of the motorway at Colne, to get to Blackburn in 10mins is pushing it.

The bottom line here is that some poor soul will lose their life. It's madness.

is that without all the traffic on that stretch of road, especially and tea time....rush hour!!
they are bloody dreaming!!!

[lettie]

Too right they are dreaming, but as previously said, the decision has come from Government. All that has been allowed to happen on a local level is the distribution of services to the best of anybody's ability. Local services have been dictated to that they cannot have A&E and Intensive care in both areas. If it is the case that we cannot have services in both places then....... Where would you put them??

My choice would have been Accrington but they ran AVH down years ago and there is no room for expansion. On my voting form (which we all got through the post about 12-18 months ago but many of us ignored), I added the extra option of services at both sites and made my feelings known about the reasons why but it has made not an apeth of difference.

[BERNADETTE]

This is when you have to hope the Air Ambulance is available if and when you need it. They have now got a heliport (think thats what they are called) just outside AandE at Royal Blackburn. So it seems if you are going to get to the hospital in the times that were predicted it will be by Air Ambulance.

[Stanleymad]

I can see the repercussions of this which wont end being good in the end because lives could be lost in its extremity & the concern is with all this cost cutting [cos don't forget its not about services its about cost] that patient waiting lists are going to be considerably higher certainly at BRH - never mind the strains it already has & the influx of immigrant workers, stretched to the limit

[katex]

The way I am reading it is that nobody in the Blackburn area will suffer at all. There will be a more specialised blue light service with highly trained staff to meet these type of emergencies.

Others will still be able to go to the urgent care centre in both Blackburn and Burnley with no interruption of the blue light patients.

The only problem appears to be the travelling time for Burnley blue light cases, 10 minutes could mean life or death, however to compensate, I am led to believe that in these ambulances a highly skilled paramedic has to be on board with the knowledge/facilities to treat whilst in transit. Is this correct Ber ?

[lettie]

Originally Posted by Stanleymad

I can see the repercussions of this which wont end being good in the end because lives could be lost in its extremity & the concern is with all this cost cutting [cos don't forget its not about services its about cost] that patient waiting lists are going to be considerably higher certainly at BRH - never mind the strains it already has & the influx of immigrant workers, stretched to the limit

I can't see the new system having any adverse effects on waiting lists. It may even be a positive step to ensure that people are treated in the best possible place. A&E will be for emergencies only and geared up to treat emergencies only, everything else will be treated at the Urgent Care centres, therefore, A&E waiting room will no longer be cluttered up with minor injuries and people who really ought to see their GP.
Emergency and major operations potentially requiring ICU care will be done at Blackburn, probably along with some list ops. Most waiting list ops will be done at Burnley as some of them already are. I really can't see the changes having any negative effect on general waiting lists. What I can see is some potential delay in getting a dire emergency to RBH, hence the new Helipad and, of course, the Paramedics having to stabilise people the best they can on transfer which, they already do.

The only thing we can do is suck it and see. We have no option really except, of course, at the next election....

[Lilly]

I have been reliably informed on this issue that the mortuary staff at the Royal Blackburn are getting more fridges to store bodies in when this happens because they are expecting 30% more deaths at Blackburn due to people not being able to get there in time from Burnley and the surrounding areas. They don't tell you that in the paper, do they?

I think it's disgusting.

[katex]

Originally Posted by Lilly

I have been reliably informed on this issue that the mortuary staff at the Royal Blackburn are getting more fridges to store bodies in when this happens because they are expecting 30% more deaths at Blackburn due to people not being able to get there in time from Burnley and the surrounding areas. They don't tell you that in the paper, do they?

I think it's disgusting.

Do you not think Lilly, that this is just because they will be receiving more serious cases and, therefore, more deaths on their hands.

Think there will also be a lot more lives saved too because of the specialised response. Suppose all a matter of weighing up the odds.

There must be lots of people living on the outskirts of Blackburn that live just as far away as some Burnley residents.

[lettie]

Blackburn currently provides care for the Ribble Valley and gets patients who live as far away as Slaidburn. Any extra fridges will be for the extra emergency patients who come from Burnley, many of whom will come with acute medical conditions and be admitted to acute medical wards where they will later die, as they would've done regardless of which hospital.

Blackburn will be geared up for acute emergencies and able to deal with them immediately on admission rather than being clogged up with GP cases, cuts and bruises and timewasters. There will always be people who die en route to hospital regardless of their journey time. I remember the ambulance crew bringing a young lad in dead on arrival when I was training, his injury had occurred on Bolton Rd, just down the road from BRI but he still died en route, it was devastating.

[BERNADETTE]

Then hopefully this will work well. With the helicopter bringing patients and the staff being free to do the job they are there for instead of having loads of people who at the end of the day shouldn't be there to contend with they will hopefully be able to save more lives. In principle the idea of having seperate units should be a good thing IMO.

[katex]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Then hopefully this will work well. With the helicopter bringing patients and the staff being free to do the job they are there for instead of having loads of people who at the end of the day shouldn't be there to contend with they will hopefully be able to save more lives. In principle the idea of having seperate units should be a good thing IMO.

Well, that's the theory Bernie . sounds good to me, but to echo Lettie's remark, let's suck it and see.

Might cut the waiting time down too in the urgent care unit. I myself spent 4 hours in A & E on Sunday evening whilst they saw to my broken elbow .. not grumbling like and 'customer service' was great .. but could help to speed up the time which is sometimes hard for young children who become tired and impatient along with not being too well....think may have a policy already anyway to attend to them first, not sure.

[slinky]

Originally Posted by katex

Might cut the waiting time down too in the urgent care unit. I myself spent 4 hours in A & E on Sunday evening whilst they saw to my broken elbow .. not grumbling like and 'customer service' was great ..

Entertainment can be good too in them places

[BERNADETTE]

Katex Well, that's the theory Bernie . sounds good to me, but to echo Lettie's remark, let's suck it and see.

Well it is no good everyone being negative about it, if it means the people most in need of tratment don't have to wait we have to hope and pray it works.

[katex]

Originally Posted by slinky

Entertainment can be good too in them places

Well, must admit Slinky was some amusing cases which kept me entertained.

The young Asian lad who was very p*ssed wandering around like a lost soul but swearing and complaining .. wasn't aggresive at all, just funny with half his lip hanging off. Eventually fell asleep prostrate outside X-ray .. the radiologist called him a minute later and he complained about not getting any sleep around here.

Then a big butch lad came in with his mate (blue light treatment) said he had been giving himself an injection (cannot say why). Stuck it in got distracted and it broke, and described to the receptionist that his arm 'just ate up the rest'. Sent his mate to ask for an ashtray

Can always find a bright side of life sometimes