Lie Detector tests - Page 7

Bagpuss · 10-04-2007, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

get the unions
For all the rhetoric I have yet to see any facts.

Fact, out of the 50 the company got rid of, all but one of the union shopstewards where finished, very clever of them.

flashy · 10-04-2007, 21:57

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flashy · 10-04-2007, 21:58

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

No-one should be working for less than the minimum wage.

its illegal if they are

Bagpuss · 10-04-2007, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

As I said in the post above blame the employers in that case not the people doing the work.

Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.

lancsdave · 10-04-2007, 22:07

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

No-one should be working for less than the minimum wage.

Some companies have methods of working around it. I have heard of an Altham based company who have employed quite a few of the Polish people. They pay them minimum wage but they also 'sort' out their accomodation and charge them ridicolous rents and extortionate fuel prices which they take out of their wages.

Bagpuss · 10-04-2007, 22:09

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

No-one should be working for less than the minimum wage.

Just to make things clear this is not happening at the company I mentioned but it is happening elsewhere and I got that off an employer who said allowing Polish workers over here is great for his profits.

Stanaccy · 10-04-2007, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.

As I said, do something about it, if people have been made redundant and others taken on to do the same job for less money it's illegal (FACT the job is made redundant not the employee).

If you know unscrupulous employers then publicise it. get the trades council involved
Their e-mail address is here [email protected]. They currently have a campaign for a living wage for Lancashire.

I have been told "by a bloke" that some folk were laid off cause of the Poles but as I have not heard any companies named specifically where it happened(I only know of 2 companies where asignifican amount of Poles work trouble recruiting because of the abysmal terms and conditions they offered) I treat it as an urban myth.

If, as you say, you know different then do something, start a campaign etc. moaning here will do absolutely nothing.

garinda · 10-04-2007, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.

Then how do you explain the figures that prove that there are about two million less unemployed people, than there were twenty five years ago?

That's taking into account that these figures are open to abuse, by not classing as unemployed people on various schemes and benefits etc., but that was also applicable in the eighties, and twenty five years we didn't have the same numbers of illegal immigrants, or open borders throughout Europe.

Bagpuss · 10-04-2007, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

As I said, do something about it, if people have been made redundant and others taken on to do the same job for less money it's illegal (FACT the job is made redundant not the employee).

Life is not about facts even though you want to hide behind them. Of course the company, it sounds like you know which one, have got round it with different ways and means, new orders etc. So FACT the jobs are still there but 50 British workers are on the dole.

Ianto.W. · 10-04-2007, 22:47

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garinda' Then how do you explain the figures that prove that there are about two million less unemployed people, than there were twenty five years ago?

Got to aggree at least the jobs are there for the Poles etc to work at, other wise they wouldn't come. Good luck to them they have always been a very industrous nation.

Bagpuss · 10-04-2007, 22:53

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Originally Posted by garinda

Then how do you explain the figures that prove that there are about two million less unemployed people, than there were twenty five years ago?

That's taking into account that these figures are open to abuse, by not classing as unemployed people on various schemes and benefits etc., but that was also applicable in the eighties, and twenty five years we didn't have the same numbers of illegal immigrants, or open borders throughout Europe.

I wondered when you might have a comment to pass, I don't need to explain any figures I said it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money, but not impossible. At the moment it is manual jobs that the eastern europeans are taking but what next. If you think I'm talking bollox test it out and try to register with an agency using the name Smith and you want manual work, please report back with the FACTS.

garinda · 10-04-2007, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I wondered when you might have a comment to pass

So sweet to be missed.

The only people I know who are being priced out of the market, because of an influx of eastern Europeans, are whores, and they don't pay much into the communal pot anyway.

garinda · 10-04-2007, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I wondered when you might have a comment to pass, I don't need to explain any figures I said it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money, but not impossible. At the moment it is manual jobs that the eastern europeans are taking but what next. If you think I'm talking bollox test it out and try to register with an agency using the name Smith and you want manual work, please report back with the FACTS.

You still didn't answer the question as to how there are two million less unemployed now, despite more immigration and an open border policy throughout the E.E.C.?

Neil · 11-04-2007, 08:34

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

Oh and as for the fact they are turning up stealing our jobs? Don't make me laugh, nobody here would do half the jobs they do for the salary they are being paid. In that case its the employers fault not the people doing the job.

It's not the employers fault at all. I blame the benefits system for that. People on long term benefits should not be able to pick and choose what job they fancy. They should be told to work or have the money stopped. If they don't earn much the system should top it up not replace income and the need to work totally.

Neil · 11-04-2007, 08:42

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Originally Posted by garinda

The only people I know who are being priced out of the market, because of an influx of eastern Europeans, are whores, and they don't pay much into the communal pot anyway.

So that explains why Chav has gone. He can't earn any decent money around here anymore so has had to move on