Linguistic tic's and crutches - Page 6

Margaret Pilkington · 27-12-2011, 13:59

You would have to show me too, because I don't know what you mean either Kate.
Not saying you are wrong, but just I don't get what you mean.

katex · 27-12-2011, 14:00

Hahaha .. just noticed in your Location you are 'Overlookin' ducks and geese'.

susie123 · 27-12-2011, 14:20

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Originally Posted by katex

Just a quick correction here, Garinda. In words that end in 'ing', the 'g' should never be pronounced; it is a nasal sound where you raise the back of your tongue (pronounced again without the 'g' and tun) to the palette.

That's what I understood too though some people do seem to lose the g altogether. Some Midlands speakers overemphasize it instead.

garinda · 27-12-2011, 14:23

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Originally Posted by katex

Words like King, etc., are a different matter.

I am not talking about saying 'makin' pronouncing the 'n' at the end either, would have to physically show you what I mean, but I am right, you are wrong about this ...

You're not getting your hands on my tongue, or your digits on my palate.

Not unless you ask nicely.

katex · 27-12-2011, 14:27

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Originally Posted by garinda

You're not getting your hands on my tongue, or your digits on my palate.

Not unless you ask nicely.

Presume by digits, you mean fingers as opposed to toes... dang

Michael1954 · 27-12-2011, 15:49

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Originally Posted by katex

Just a quick correction here, Garinda. In words that end in 'ing', the 'g' should never be pronounced; it is a nasal sound where you raise the back of your tongue (pronounced again without the 'g' and tun) to the palette.

Oxford Dictionaries Online and my copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary does not agree with you.

mobertol · 27-12-2011, 16:17

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Originally Posted by katex

Just a quick correction here, Garinda. In words that end in 'ing', the 'g' should never be pronounced; it is a nasal sound where you raise the back of your tongue (pronounced again without the 'g' and tun) to the palette.

Katex is right here but should have specified that it is so when the word ends in the suffix "-ing" (therefore words like King, Ming etc don't follow the rule) -it's called a velar nasal consonant and you don't actually pronounce the g fully and sort of hint at it in the way Katex describes. This is the pronunciation I prefer - the other more American pronunciation where there is no hint of the g is known as an alveolar nasal consonant, which makes it sound like the words end in "in".

(Interrogated friend Charlotte as she studied linguistics and is a mine of info!) By the way you do pronounce the g when you say Linguistics

mobertol · 27-12-2011, 16:23

Another thing I hate is when people drop their "aitches" -as in "I 'ate' im"...

Or the awful way some people say "an 'otel"... so contrived.

A good friend from Uni., one Robert Harington, has stupidly called his son Hugo - a real mouthful and awful if you drop the aitches!)

garinda · 27-12-2011, 16:40

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Originally Posted by mobertol

another thing i hate is when people drop their "aitches" -as in "i 'ate' im"...

Or the awful way some people say "an 'otel"... So contrived.

a good friend from uni., one robert harington, has stupidly called his son hugo - a real mouthful and awful if you drop the aitches!)

.....

susie123 · 27-12-2011, 16:40

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Originally Posted by mobertol

Another thing I hate is when people drop their "aitches" -as in "I 'ate' im"...

Or the awful way some people say "an 'otel"... so contrived.

I would say that years ago the correct version of hotel etc among the upper class was without the h, and they would also be the ones to almost drop the g in ing. Perhaps this is how the folk in Downton Abbey should have spoken - huntin', shootin' and fishin'...

Michael1954 · 27-12-2011, 16:51

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Originally Posted by mobertol

Katex is right here but should have specified that it is so when the word ends in the suffix "-ing" (therefore words like King, Ming etc don't follow the rule) -it's called a velar nasal consonant and you don't actually pronounce the g fully and sort of hint at it in the way Katex describes. This is the pronunciation I prefer - the other more American pronunciation where there is no hint of the g is known as an alveolar nasal consonant, which makes it sound like the words end in "in".

(Interrogated friend Charlotte as she studied linguistics and is a mine of info!) By the way you do pronounce the g when you say Linguistics

-ing as a suffix is pronounced the same as in ring, according to my Concise Oxford Dictionary.

mobertol · 27-12-2011, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Michael1954

-ing as a suffix is pronounced the same as in ring, according to my Concise Oxford Dictionary.

Whatever, am getting out of my depth here!

Not an expert but still prefer to hear a sort of "g" on the end in any case!

Eric · 27-12-2011, 16:59

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Originally Posted by mobertol

I have read some US Lit. Eric, just not a lot, and prefer to read proper English

(Studied Robert Frost for O-level for example)

I have also read the books of Laurie R. King mainly because they complete one of my own literary fantasies. Mary Russell, the protagonist wins Sherlock Holmes heart! How i envy her

Ms. King writes very well indeed

(Who wrote your quoted poem?)

Emily Dickinson.

This is an interesting thread ... kinda like Seinfeld, it's about nothing. Or at least, nothing important. There is no standard English. Never has been; never will be. English is a lot like quanta; it defies being pinned down. Most languages are purpose directed ... or something like that. The kind of language you use depends on the situation in which you use it. For example, the language you use when you have just pounded the hell out of your thumb with a hammer is not what you would use in most other circumstances, unless, of course, you are like me

Spelling isn't that important either. It tends to lag behind pronunciation ... or bear little realtion to it. Brits are good at this ... mispronouncing "clerk" and "derby" with insular relish.

So have fun. And remember: don't end a sentence with a preposition (propositions are so much better

) ... and read what Churchill said about this.

Michael1954 · 27-12-2011, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Eric

And remember: don't end a sentence with a preposition (propositions are so much better

) ... and read what Churchill said about this.

This is the sort of English up with which I will not put.

mobertol · 27-12-2011, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Eric

Emily Dickinson.

This is an interesting thread ... kinda like Seinfeld, it's about nothing. Or at least, nothing important. There is no standard English. Never has been; never will be. English is a lot like quanta; it defies being pinned down. Most languages are purpose directed ... or something like that. The kind of language you use depends on the situation in which you use it. For example, the language you use when you have just pounded the hell out of your thumb with a hammer is not what you would use in most other circumstances, unless, of course, you are like me

Spelling isn't that important either. It tends to lag behind pronunciation ... or bear little realtion to it. Brits are good at this ... mispronouncing "clerk" and "derby" with insular relish.

So have fun. And remember: don't end a sentence with a preposition (propositions are so much better

) ... and read what Churchill said about this.

Great post Eric, time for me to abandon ship I think -I have too many tics and need crutches for all my own annoying habits where writing is concerned.

One thing is for sure -all those who write on here are unique and have a very expressive and personal voice in what they "say" - if you were to remove the names and avatars most would be instantly recogniseable by their style, wit, etc. Will cast no more stones as I am not without sin