Local Election Results

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Okay Rindi your trying to save face or Labours face, the point is Hyndburn is not a natural Tory seat, We have a Labour MP and 6 Labour County Councillors, we have to work very hard to stay in control, always have and always will, but the fact is, that local people can see that the Tory run council have financially turned the Borough around, Okay everything ain't as good as it could be, but you can only move forward on the back of a sound financial base, and you have the people with the business nous to implement that way forward

It's not my job to save face, as again I'm non-partisan.

I dispute the fact that 'Hyndburn is not a natural Tory seat'.

The country, and this area, have changed from the old rule of manufacturing areas being Labour, and leafy suburbs being true blue. Afterall for most of the Thatcher years this constituency had a Conservative M.P.

I'm genuienly suprised that locally Labour didn't take more of a bashing in Hyndburn, which it appears to have done in the rest of the country. The loss of one seat is neither here nor there.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

It's not my job to save face, as again I'm non-partisan.

I dispute the fact that 'Hyndburn is not a natural Tory seat'.

The country, and this area, have changed from the old rule of manufacturing areas being Labour, and leafy suburbs being true blue. Afterall for most of the Thatcher years this constituency had a Conservative M.P.

I'm genuienly suprised that locally Labour didn't take more of a bashing in Hyndburn, which it appears to have done in the rest of the country. The loss of one seat is neither here nor there.

Ya we did have a Tory MP but we will be very luck to ever have one again, the goal posts have been moved, I think they used to call it Gerrymandering. When you look back to 1996 the council was 44 Labour 3 Conservative, there are now just 35 seats, but I cant ever see the Tories having say 30 to 5 advantage, as I said in my earlier post we have to wor hard to keep power

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

It's not my job to save face, as again I'm non-partisan.

I dispute the fact that 'Hyndburn is not a natural Tory seat'.

The country, and this area, have changed from the old rule of manufacturing areas being Labour, and leafy suburbs being true blue. Afterall for most of the Thatcher years this constituency had a Conservative M.P.

I'm genuienly suprised that locally Labour didn't take more of a bashing in Hyndburn, which it appears to have done in the rest of the country. The loss of one seat is neither here nor there.

There's been huge boundary changes since the Thatcher era. No need to save face when Conservatives are INCREASING the majority on the council that they have already held for years.

I do like your posts though Rindi, I never fail to literally laugh out loud, to the wonder of anybody near me, whenever you write your non-partisan line

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by blazey

I just think that there is unnecessary abuse aimed at some people just because they openly say that they aren't going to vote. They shouldn't have to avoid threads which they have posted in simply because they are being bullied into feeling they should be voting.

If there is nobody you feel represents you at elections then who are you meant to vote for?

Massive change of views since January
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ort-36395.html

[Neil]

Originally Posted by garinda

As stated in another thread, considering what has happened in the rest of the country, I think Labour did incredibley well just to lose Altham, always seen as a marginal seat.

Maybe but out of the 12 wards voted on last night Labour only took a third of them. The majority of yesterdays wards were already Tory.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

There's been huge boundary changes since the Thatcher era. No need to save face when Conservatives are INCREASING the majority on the council that they have already held for years.

I do like your posts though Rindi, I never fail to literally laugh out loud, to the wonder of anybody near me, whenever you write your non-partisan line

Where's the yawning smiley?

I'm non-partisan in that I'm not, nor have ever been, a member of any political party, nor have any affiliations to any particular party.

On this forum I've both ctiticised the Labour government, as well as praising the local Conservative party, and Ken Hargreaves, our former Conservative M.P.

Unlike you I have no political agenda to push, and am free to praise or crtiticise as I see fit.

Still, if I've brought laughter to the life of the politically blind, I'll take that as a gift.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Neil

Maybe but out of the 12 wards voted on last night Labour only took a third of them. The majority of yesterdays wards were already Tory.

Like I said, I honestly expected much bigger losses for Labour in Hyndburn.

I say this not with hindsight, as I said yesterday that the writing was on the wall, and the country was intent on sending a message to Brown.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Where's the yawning smiley?

I'm non-partisan in that I'm not, nor have ever been, a member of any political party, nor have any affiliations to any particular party.

On this forum I've both ctiticised the Labour government, as well as praising the local Conservative party, and Ken Hargreaves, our former Conservative M.P.

Unlike you I have no political agenda to push, and am free to praise or crtiticise as I see fit.

Still, if I've brought laughter to the life of the politically blind, I'll take that as a gift.

No worries, I have no need to push a political agenda. I call it how it is whether that be in support or against the Conservatives. As you know I've criticised them numerous times. So I guess I'm also as non-partisan as you apart from the membership - which means nothing unless you're blindly loyal, which I'm not.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Massive change of views since January
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ort-36395.html

Yes I touched upon this in another thread and said somewhere that I wouldn't normally agree with not voting. Unfortunately I have met an increasing number of people voting for people merely for the sake of revolting against another party, which completely defeats the point in my opinion.

For example I have a friend at uni who suggested that the BNP were the only party supporting the british working class at the moment (which is nothing more than I expect from him) but the shock was that the labour, liberal AND socialist who I was with didn't bat an eye lid and said they can understand why he thinks such a thing, and unfortunately many people are thinking like him and voting for BNP.

I would rather that if people didn't genuinely back a party then they don't vote, and even more so if they have misconceptions about a party.

I know you were probably trying to just make me look like a hypocrite, but in fact all I can say is that I have genuinely changed my mind on the matter.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by blazey

I know you were probably trying to just make me look like a hypocrite, but in fact all I can say is that I have genuinely changed my mind on the matter.

Not at all, was merely pointing out how much you had mellowed in a short space of time. I presume the time you spend on here learning life off the wiser people in society has been time well spent

[blazey]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Not at all, was merely pointing out how much you had mellowed in a short space of time. I presume the time you spend on here learning life off the wiser people in society has been time well spent

No I have just been living in the college bar with various types of people and formed a more well rounded opinion I still would prefer if people COULD vote confidently, or at least go and vote and scribble something like RON over their vote or something and at least make a statement of some sort, but silence can be as good as anything sometimes, the problem I think is that when people dont vote, politicians never look at it as if to think they didnt manage to represent those people, instead they just think they cant be bothered voting, and I dont think that really is the case anymore.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by garinda

If Hyndburn can't reflect what has happened in the rest of the country, I'd be fairly worried about the next General Election.

Interesting vote in my fatherland that totally bucks the national trend. Lib Dem take control and not a single gain for the Tories. Maybe the real intelligency can see that the 2 main parties are so busy scratching each others eyes out and the other alternative riot squad is not really an alternative after all, that it's time for change

[Wynonie Harris]

To go from "people that don't vote are stupid and deserve to be exploited by the political party that wins" to "there is unnecessary abuse aimed at some people just because they aren't going to vote" in 4 months is some U-turn! Can we expect to see you on here supporting the Socialist Workers' Party by autumn?

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

To go from "people that don't vote are stupid and deserve to be exploited by the political party that wins" to "there is unnecessary abuse aimed at some people just because they aren't going to vote" in 4 months is some U-turn! Can we expect to see you on here supporting the Socialist Workers' Party by autumn?

Not likely because I made a public statement that I would indeed throw myself off Bowland Tower if such a thing was to happen. Which I suppose is a sign that I have considered the possibility. University corrupts innocent tory minds, please do not sen your children there.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

To go from "people that don't vote are stupid and deserve to be exploited by the political party that wins" to "there is unnecessary abuse aimed at some people just because they aren't going to vote" in 4 months is some U-turn! Can we expect to see you on here supporting the Socialist Workers' Party by autumn?

Doubt it, voting socialist is almost the same as not voting