London Gunman Shot Dead - Page 3

blazey · 08-05-2008, 18:57

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Originally Posted by cashman

How can ya claim he was shooting randomly? a newspaper report.

was on the news tonight that his parents are demanding answers, so they obviously don't really know yet.

Well from what I remember from the newspaper report the family just didn't know WHY he did it, not what he actually did.

I don't care what he did anyway, I don't think this man can be classed as a criminal and that is just my view.

BERNADETTE · 08-05-2008, 19:06

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Originally Posted by blazey

Well from what I remember from the newspaper report the family just didn't know WHY he did it, not what he actually did.

I don't care what he did anyway, I don't think this man can be classed as a criminal and that is just my view.

How do you reach that conclusion? It is a criminal offence to carry a weapon in public

cashman · 08-05-2008, 19:14

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

How do you reach that conclusion? It is a criminal offence to carry a weapon in public

also were you discharge a firearm, he obviously flipped but still commited criminal actions.

Eric · 08-05-2008, 20:47

Just checked the story again. He was using a shotgun; those must be easy enough to come by .... but not very effective unless at close range against someone without a bullet proof vest. Ah well, he must have been sane enough to realize that shooting at the coppers is a good way to get their attention

Eric · 08-05-2008, 20:48

Unless you are in NYC, then all you have to do is go to a stag.

Bonnyboy · 08-05-2008, 20:55

What will happen to any life insurance this bloke had ?

Are folk still covered if the die whilst committing a crime or have the insurance companies got yet another clause in their policies ?

cashman · 08-05-2008, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

What will happen to any life insurance this bloke had ?

Are folk still covered if the die whilst committing a crime or have the insurance companies got yet another clause in their policies ?

would guess its invalid? is if ya top yerself i'm told.

jaysay · 09-05-2008, 10:01

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Originally Posted by cashman

would guess its invalid? is if ya top yerself i'm told.

And its obvious he wanted to commit suicide by cop

blazey · 09-05-2008, 12:14

He was firing through the glass in his window, therefore in his house, and he had a license for the weapon. He'd get the blame for criminal damage to the properties no doubt, but I still don't think this man is a criminal.

Maybe if I lived life giving everything its literal meaning then yes, I might say that man is a criminal, but then I think a huge number of people would be able to define themselves on this forum as a criminal, myself definitely included, which would be ridiculous.

jaysay · 09-05-2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by blazey

He was firing through the glass in his window, therefore in his house, and he had a license for the weapon. He'd get the blame for criminal damage to the properties no doubt, but I still don't think this man is a criminal.

Maybe if I lived life giving everything its literal meaning then yes, I might say that man is a criminal, but then I think a huge number of people would be able to define themselves on this forum as a criminal, myself definitely included, which would be ridiculous.

Sometime I scratch my head at some of your posts blazey, must be you ambitoin to be a defence lawyer when you finish Uni. He might have had a license for the gun but unfortunealy that does not give him the right to take pot shots at the police on the streets of the capital, as someone who was well versed in the law he knew exactly what he was doing, and would be quite aware what the outcome would be, as in bang bang your dead

blazey · 10-05-2008, 17:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Sometime I scratch my head at some of your posts blazey, must be you ambitoin to be a defence lawyer when you finish Uni. He might have had a license for the gun but unfortunealy that does not give him the right to take pot shots at the police on the streets of the capital, as someone who was well versed in the law he knew exactly what he was doing, and would be quite aware what the outcome would be, as in bang bang your dead

I do intend on going into defense actually, but not criminal law, but unfortunately I still study it and I can't help but look for technicalities, I pay £3000 a year to be taught to do it.

Royboy39 · 10-05-2008, 17:19

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Originally Posted by blazey

He was firing through the glass in his window, therefore in his house, and he had a license for the weapon. He'd get the blame for criminal damage to the properties no doubt, but I still don't think this man is a criminal.

Firing a gun, licenced or not, at the police or public, from inside a house or outside. is a criminal offence therefore this activity makes the man a criminal surely?

blazey · 10-05-2008, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Firing a gun, licenced or not, at the police or public, from inside a house or outside. is a criminal offence therefore this activity makes the man a criminal surely?

Like I said, I think he had issues with his mental health therefore I don't see him as a criminal. I've read many cases where women have killed their abusive husbands, do you think they are criminal?

Just because something is defined as a criminal act doesn't necessarily make someone a criminal by anything other than literal definition for doing that thing. How many people speed on the motorway, are they 'criminals' to you?

I can't think of a clearer way to explain this viewpoint, so I am not going to attempt to explain it again, and either way, he aint going to court for trial so it doesn't really matter.

Royboy39 · 10-05-2008, 17:29

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Originally Posted by blazey

Like I said, I think he had issues with his mental health therefore I don't see him as a criminal. I've read many cases where women have killed their abusive husbands, do you think they are criminal?

Just because something is defined as a criminal act doesn't necessarily make someone a criminal by anything other than literal definition for doing that thing. How many people speed on the motorway, are they 'criminals' to you?

I can't think of a clearer way to explain this viewpoint, so I am not going to attempt to explain it again, and either way, he aint going to court for trial so it doesn't really matter.

I think you should discuss this issue with your university tutors and peers.
I think you sign off in exactly the same way.

blazey · 10-05-2008, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

I think you should discuss this issue with your university tutors and peers.
I think you sign off in exactly the same way.

Sorry but what does that mean

I 'sign off'?

We discussed the issue of what is a criminal during the first term and whether we considered ourselves to be law abiding citizens or criminals etc, so I have covered this topic already.