Lordy Lordy

jaysay · 26-01-2009, 10:39

Find it very strange that no body has bothered to start a thread on the four Labour peer's scandal, Especially seeing that one is the noble Lord from Blackburn, Lord Taylor, together with lords Truscott, Snape and Moonie. Given that Rindi is the paragon of what is right and wrong in public life, I thought he would be the first to jump in, or maybe not seeing they are Labour Peers and not Tory

accyman · 26-01-2009, 10:42

give people a chance to catch up jaysay , all these scandles are coming in too fast to keep up with

a bit like when the tories were in charge you could say lol

garinda · 26-01-2009, 11:18

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Originally Posted by accyman

give people a chance to catch up jaysay , all these scandles are coming in too fast to keep up with

a bit like when the tories were in charge you could say lol

I've said many times on here that I don't agree with having an unelected upper house of parilament.

Replacing hereditary buffoons with toads, free loaders and flunkies hasn't changed my opinion on this matter.

If found guilty of breaking the rules the four Labour Lords should be prosecuted and stripped of any power.

I've also said on here before that the present government reminds me of the last years of the Conservative government of John Major, when it was Conservatives accused of asking questions for cash.

Sadly power seems to corrupt all political parties...I'm just glad I'm not, nor ever have been, a member of any political party, and therefore remain incorruptible, and therefore free to criticise or praise as I see fit, freed from any political affiliations...unlike some.

I didn't know there was a time scale, or people waited with bated breath, for my take on any recent news stories.

How sweet of die hard Tories like Jaysay to care so much about my opinion.

polly · 26-01-2009, 11:23

Perhaps it says it all that nobody bothered to start at thread on this topic?

jaysay · 26-01-2009, 11:25

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Originally Posted by garinda

I've said many times on here that I don't agree with having an unelected upper house of parilament.

Replacing hereditary buffoons with toads, free loaders and flunkies hasn't changed my opinion on this matter.

If found guilty of breaking the rules the four Labour Lords should be prosecuted and stripped of any power.

I've also said on here before that the present government reminds me of the last years of the Conservative government of John Major, when it was Conservatives accused of asking questions for cash.

Sadly power seems to corrupt all political parties...I'm just glad I'm not, nor ever have been, a member of any political party, and therefore remain incorruptible, and therefore free to criticise or praise as I see fit, freed from any political affiliations...unlike some.

I didn't know there was a time scale, or people waited with bated breath, for my take on any recent news stories.

How sweet of die hard Tories like Jaysay to care so much about my opinion.

Of course I care about your opinion Rindi, it means we can have an informed debate

The only thing is when Tony came into power in 1997 he said he would reform the Lords, well he did sort of, he just put loads of his cronies in their to even up the balance, and Gordon is carrying on the good work, arise Lord Mandy

MargaretR · 26-01-2009, 11:28

The sad fact is that corruption is 'old hat'.
We are too busy surviving from day to day to give it much thought, and just hope that people who have the job of preventing it will put in the effort

garinda · 26-01-2009, 11:28

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Originally Posted by polly

Perhaps it says it all that nobody bothered to start at thread on this topic?

Exactly.

Some politicans can be bought.

Shock, horror!

It's wrong of course, but it's been going on for hundreds of years.

If I lived in Blackburn I might have deemed it worthy of discussion on a local forum, given that Taylor is from the town, and carries the title of Lord Blackburn.

garinda · 26-01-2009, 11:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Of course I care about your opinion Rindi, it means we can have an informed debate

The only thing is when Tony came into power in 1997 he said he would reform the Lords, well he did sort of, he just put loads of his cronies in their to even up the balance, and Gordon is carrying on the good work, arise Lord Mandy

As stated earlier, and as I have many times before on AW, the reform of the House of Lords hasn't satisfied me.

The only blessing is that when Mark Thatcher inherits his mother's title he won't be sitting there lording it over us.

garinda · 26-01-2009, 11:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Given that Rindi is the paragon of what is right and wrong in public life, I thought he would be the first to jump in, or maybe not seeing they are Labour Peers and not Tory

Being a local lad I'm much happier jumping on local politicans...as some of them are nice and bouncy to jump on.

jaysay · 26-01-2009, 17:10

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Originally Posted by garinda

As stated earlier, and as I have many times before on AW, the reform of the House of Lords hasn't satisfied me.

The only blessing is that when Mark Thatcher inherits his mother's title he won't be sitting there lording it over us.

That's impossible Rindi, he wouldn't be able to find his way there

Greg Pope · 26-01-2009, 18:13

Well said, Rindi. If people are guilty of taking money to influence legislation then we should throw the book at them; in the meantime, people are innocent until proven guilty so let's have a full and thorough investigation into it.

On Lords reform, it has been all but impossible. On a free vote MPs managed to vote down all eight options ranging from all elected to all appointed, with all the variations along the way. My personal view is that if we are to have an upper House at all it should have no more than 100 members, be all-elected and similar to the US Senate, but clearly not many MPs share my view!

SPUGGIE J · 26-01-2009, 18:15

How else can they afford their lavish life style. Mind you £330 in allowances a day aint a lot is it.

At the end of the day they are all there in order to screw what they can out of the system same as many others polititions. All parties are at it so there is plenty of kettle calling the pot deep shaded butt.

Stumped · 26-01-2009, 18:25

All politicians, of whatever ilk, are only interested in lining their personal pockets at the expense of the gullible, long suffering tax-payer. You don't have to look any further than Kinnock and Blair who are both multi-millionaires. I'm all for a military coupe which may result in the repatriation of all the freeloading foreign benefit seekers who have allegiance only to their pockets. Not too different than politicians then!

SPUGGIE J · 26-01-2009, 18:38

Well on that basis Stumped the R A F will be shooting down planes full off dodgy polititions not just U F O's and plane loads of dodgy bankers. Sadly its not the answer and all changes must come from within. Sadly it will take a long time but will eventually come. We as tax payers and voters have the power to influence what happens but only if we get off our bahookies and do something about it.

garinda · 26-01-2009, 19:10

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

How else can they afford their lavish life style. Mind you £330 in allowances a day aint a lot is it.

In 2005 Lord Taylor claimed the second highest expenses of any member of the Lords, even though he only attended 15 times in that year.

Hush my mouth! I'll soon be accused of being anti-Labour, for drawing your attention to such matters.

I'd better show some political non-bias by also commenting than Kenneth Clarke seems to have his snout in the free loader's trough...again.

Revealed: Ken Clarke’s free trips to F1 and opera - courtesy of tobacco giant | Mail Online

I'm just glad the M.P. who represents the area in which I live has some integrity, irrespective of party politics.

(It's just a bonus that he also thinks the same as me, in that he apparently thinks any second chamber should be elected.)