Magistrate Reprimanded - Page 5

WillowTheWhisp · 10-01-2008, 07:53

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Hussain made a formal complaint and yesterday Mr Murray, a JP for 12 years, was handed a formal reprimand by Justice Minister Jack Straw and the Lord Chief Justice.

Surely not the same Jack Straw who requested muslim women to remove their veil when speaking to him?

Wynonie Harris · 10-01-2008, 08:35

The hypocrisy of this government never ceases to amaze me. As Willow says, Jack Straw was the one who spoke out against his constituents wearing the veil when they visited him and now he has the sheer gall to reprimand this magistrate. Do as I say, not as I do...

cashman · 10-01-2008, 11:11

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Surely not the same Jack Straw who requested muslim women to remove their veil when speaking to him?

it surely was, as wyn says HYPOCRISY run amok.

WillowTheWhisp · 10-01-2008, 13:09

Yea, I was being sarcastic Cashy.

cashman · 10-01-2008, 14:20

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Yea, I was being sarcastic Cashy.

i knew that willow,was just having another pop at the "invisible wanabees"

jambutty · 10-01-2008, 14:34

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Originally Posted by blazey

I dont have a Qu'ran in front of me i'm afraid, but I have many muslim female friends who have explained the reasoning behind it. Not all custom and tradition is written into the bible, just like catholic women used to have veils over their heads in church. Nothing about it in the catholic bible as far as I've ever seen yet it was done.

Who's place is it to criticise another cultures beliefs? Dont we whinge when other cultures alledgedly criticise our christmas and say we cant have 'christmas lights' and all that rubbish? I've never met a muslim who's agreed with that, yet i think its a disgrace how many people simply just dont want them to wear it because they cant think of a better solution, IF there is even a problem to be solved.

I notice that the magistrate in question has been ‘re-trained’.

“When in Rome” springs to mind blazey.

The accused and any witnesses giving evidence must have their faces visible so that the emotion expressed in the face is visible to the bench when being cross examined. Hidden behind a veil the accused or witness could be lying in their teeth and no one would know. Juries would certainly want to see the face of the witness and accused.

Imagine if the magistrate was a Muslim women? Would she be allowed to wear a veil whilst on the bench? Would the council for defence or prosecution be allowed to wear a veil? Would any of the court officials be allowed to wear a veil? They might in a Muslim court but such a court has no legal standing in this country even if the Muslims are trying to establish their own courts.

It will be interesting to see what happens if a Muslim woman is called for jury service and turns up fully veiled.

davo69 · 10-01-2008, 14:37

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Originally Posted by jambutty

I notice that the magistrate in question has been ‘re-trained’.

“When in Rome” springs to mind blazey.

The accused and any witnesses giving evidence must have their faces visible so that the emotion expressed in the face is visible to the bench when being cross examined. Hidden behind a veil the accused or witness could be lying in their teeth and no one would know. Juries would certainly want to see the face of the witness and accused.

Imagine if the magistrate was a Muslim women? Would she be allowed to wear a veil whilst on the bench? Would the council for defence or prosecution be allowed to wear a veil? Would any of the court officials be allowed to wear a veil? They might in a Muslim court but such a court has no legal standing in this country even if the Muslims are trying to establish their own courts.

It will be interesting to see what happens if a Muslim woman is called for jury service and turns up fully veiled.

cant believe this i agree with you for once lol

cashman · 10-01-2008, 14:37

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Originally Posted by jambutty

I notice that the magistrate in question has been ‘re-trained’.

“When in Rome” springs to mind blazey.

The accused and any witnesses giving evidence must have their faces visible so that the emotion expressed in the face is visible to the bench when being cross examined. Hidden behind a veil the accused or witness could be lying in their teeth and no one would know. Juries would certainly want to see the face of the witness and accused.

Imagine if the magistrate was a Muslim women? Would she be allowed to wear a veil whilst on the bench? Would the council for defence or prosecution be allowed to wear a veil? Would any of the court officials be allowed to wear a veil? They might in a Muslim court but such a court has no legal standing in this country even if the Muslims are trying to establish their own courts.

It will be interesting to see what happens if a Muslim woman is called for jury service and turns up fully veiled.

the last ones interesting,cos if such a woman was a veil wearer normally, how would they know if it was her that turned up for jury service?

shakermaker · 10-01-2008, 17:09

I do wish people would stop making the erroneous connection between the veil and Islam rules/texts.

blazey · 10-01-2008, 20:15

As I have said already, it is very simple for a woman wearing the veil to be taken in private by a female member of staff and prove her identity, it should have any affect on her sitting for jury service at all.

jambutty · 10-01-2008, 20:41

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Originally Posted by blazey

As I have said already, it is very simple for a woman wearing the veil to be taken in private by a female member of staff and prove her identity, it should have any affect on her sitting for jury service at all.

Simple question.

Would you like a witness in a veil giving evidence against you that could send you to jail?

blazey · 10-01-2008, 20:47

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Simple question.

Would you like a witness in a veil giving evidence against you that could send you to jail?

Does a veil impair their intelligence and common sense?

cashman · 10-01-2008, 20:52

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Originally Posted by blazey

Does a veil impair their intelligence and common sense?

shouldn,t think so, but facial expressions,mannerisms etc must surely be of some value to a jury/judge etc?

jambutty · 10-01-2008, 20:53

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Originally Posted by blazey

Does a veil impair their intelligence and common sense?

What’s that got to do with it?

Do you always answer a question by asking a question? Or is it possibly that to answer the question truthfully you would shoot yourself down in flames?

derekgas · 10-01-2008, 20:57

Oh sh**, I agree with jb too, i'm off to the special needs thread!!

Aaarghh, TWICE!