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LancYorkYankee · 19-04-2007, 16:51

Okay, a back on thread question. For all those who think everyone has a "right" to swear, use vulgar language, etc., whenever and at any volume, they please:

What do you think about Accyweb's policy on no bad language. Does that frustrate, anger, annoy you? I'm not trying to be a smart"butt" here, I'm really curious. Remember, I'm coming from somewhere that doesn't accept this as seemingly readily as England has.

Now Shakermaker and Margaret, you guys could have easily have stayed more on thread by throwing a couple of curse words out!

Margaret Pilkington · 19-04-2007, 16:57

No, I couldn't do that because I respect the fact that Shaker has a right to his opinion. And I do not use bad language except in circumstances of extreme provocation....and then only mild expletives.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-04-2007, 17:05

Our difference of opinion was just that......not an argument, and I have no hard feelings about Shaker.

Back to the question - I do not find Accywebs ban on swearing a problem at all, since I do not use that kind of language in my everyday life.

As far as who should be allowed to swear, and at what volume.....well, I try not to listen to the conversations being held by other people in public places, but some people speak so loudly you would have to be deaf not to hear them.......and to find a simple conversation liberally sprinkled with expletives that are unnecessary to the subject matter, is I find, offensive. Maybe I was born into the wrong era.
I would say that to the people who use profanities, would you like to hear your grandmother use such language.....or would you use such language in front of her....and they say YES....I would say that they are lying.

Eric · 19-04-2007, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

No Eric, It is only the language of the day if you ACCEPT it as such and I don't.
I was on the bus yesterday with my daughters little three year old. Now at this age they are apt to say anything they hear. Two young men behind us were using a string of obscenities.....the three year old is listening to all this, and i do not think it is acceptable at all. A bus is a public space - they contaminated this space with foul language...all of it gratuitous. Call me wrong if you like, but I do not think it is fair or reasonable to expect me to listen to this. Can these young men not see that they are making themselves look bad? As I've said before....it isn't big and it isn't clever.

You are raising some interesting philosophical and logical issues here. What you choose to accept or reject is irrelevant on any level other than the personal. You do have choices of course; however, they are governed not by any external reality (if such a thing exists) but by conditioning. You are a product of how, where and when you were raised. Also you are a product of who you are, as an individual. And everyone on the planet is in the same Ark.

And the answer to the rhetorical question you raised is "no".

lancsdave · 19-04-2007, 18:26

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

Okay, a back on thread question. For all those who think everyone has a "right" to swear, use vulgar language, etc., whenever and at any volume, they please:

What do you think about Accyweb's policy on no bad language. Does that frustrate, anger, annoy you? I'm not trying to be a smart"butt" here, I'm really curious. Remember, I'm coming from somewhere that doesn't accept this as seemingly readily as England has.

Now Shakermaker and Margaret, you guys could have easily have stayed more on thread by throwing a couple of curse words out!

You can use bad language on Accyweb but it has a place of it's own so people can choose to go there or not. Correct policy IMHO

Margaret Pilkington · 19-04-2007, 19:16

In some respects you are right.....I can choose not to watch programs that contain bad language (and I do choose not to watch)......I can't choose what people in public spaces do, but I would hope that they would be courteous enough to bear in mind that not everyone wishes to listen to their conversation, and either turn down the volume or use more moderate language......but I contend that it is still a situation where over the years people have accepted that bad language is something they can do nothing about. I can only lead by example. And yes..... I am a product of the era in which I was raised, and the manner I was educated and brought up. Something I make no apology for, and have no wish to change.

garinda · 19-04-2007, 19:24

Do I think people have the right to say whatever they want?

Yes.

Do I have the right to ask people who use bad language in front of me, my mother, or children in our company, to shut up?

Yes, and I do.

Margaret Pilkington · 19-04-2007, 19:31

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Originally Posted by garinda

Do I think people have the right to say whatever they want?

Yes.

Do I have the right to ask people who use bad language in front of me, my mother, or children in our company, to shut up?

Yes, and I do.

I am pleased to hear that.

On odd occasions I have asked people to moderate their language and cited the fact that there are little ears listening......most times people have been quite shamefaced and sheepish, apologised and politely acceded to my request...only on one occasion was I told to 'eff
off' and that was by a very elegantly dressed young woman.
A case of 'handsome is as handsome does'.

West Ender · 19-04-2007, 20:33

My son, who is 41, is a musician. Among other things he plays lead guitar, semi-pro, in a very successful AC/DC tribute band. I know, and he readily admits, that "colourful" language is part of that particular culture and I have no illusions other than that he participates when he's in that sphere. I have never, ever heard him use that kind of language, he just wouldn't do it in my presence, or in any polite company, because he respects me and my values. That's what it's all about - respect.

Ianto.W. · 19-04-2007, 22:06

Do I have the right to tell a person that is swearing in front of me and mine ,yes. But I would not recomend that you do it in the pub where this thread started, unless you want a fat lip.

spinner · 19-04-2007, 23:02

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

One must get acquainted with The Miller's Tale, then.

I know there are many people who use 'swear words' out of context and grossly inappropriately, however I am defending one's right to free speech. Afterall you cannot possibly generalise every youth who swears into this obstreperous nature.

It is unfortunate that the English language is so awfully crafted that there is no room for exaggerated expression without the stiff upper lip getting involved.

actually all sections of society swear from chavs to toffs. i dont mind it personally as i swear myself. cant see whats wrong wit everday swear words. if people are acting agressively and swearing , than it changes it for me. i hate it if im pulled up for swearing some people think youve committed a crime

shillelagh · 19-04-2007, 23:33

Ok i dont swear that much only when im making a point. Anyway monday night i did make a point - someone wound me up and i told that person to p off and shouted it right across the pub and walked out. Now i dont swear normally and their faces was a picture!!! They knew that person had pushed me to far. So swearing does have a place but not in front of kids!

garinda · 19-04-2007, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

Do I have the right to tell a person that is swearing in front of me and mine ,yes. But I would not recomend that you do it in the pub where this thread started, unless you want a fat lip.

There's a certain Rotarian who goes in the Stop and Rest, who will always challenge your behaviour if you use bad language in front of a lady, and everyone respects him for it, and doesn't swear.

As Margaret has said, it's all about respect. We all know swear words, and sometimes may chose to use them. Most of us don't have Tourettes, therefore we decide what words come out of our mouths.

If someone is so thick, and unable to speak with alternating every other wors with the 'f' word, good luck to them, because they'll never get very far.

LancYorkYankee · 20-04-2007, 01:53

So, you guys really consider p*ss off a bad swear word. I'm truly sorry then for using it earlier. I always took it as a kinda fun loving, good natured word like bug off. I put the full blame on Monty Python cause I'm sure that's the first and probably only place I've heard it.

Brian

Ianto.W. · 20-04-2007, 12:01

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garinda, There's a certain Rotarian who goes in the Stop and Rest, who will always challenge your behaviour if you use bad language in front of a lady, and everyone respects him for it, and doesn't swear.

I challenge you or your rotarian pal to go into the Thorn Inn, where this thread started, and check someone in there for swearing. You will be asked to choose your window, and I guarantee you will be thrown through it, without ceremony.