Measles Warning To Parents - Page 3

katex · 30-08-2007, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Those who choose to take the risk of the illness over the vaccination do so because they believe they are doing the right thing, and I don't think any of us have the right to argue with that.

Except Margaret, that we would still be all afflicted with smallpox/polio if there had not been a mass inoculation years ago.

jackyalex · 30-08-2007, 23:08

but we still have polio kate,its made a comeback just like tb

katex · 30-08-2007, 23:11

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Originally Posted by jackyalex

but we still have polio kate,its made a comeback just like tb

Brought in from other countrys jacky .. haven't heard about the polio, but def. the tb ... all the more to get people (who are not) immunised asap.

jackyalex · 30-08-2007, 23:14

some nurses have had in recently (polio) , but yes it prob did come in from another country,just like rabies that we got rid of its prob back in this country now

BERNADETTE · 30-08-2007, 23:20

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Originally Posted by jackyalex

but we still have polio kate,its made a comeback just like tb

Have you wondered why? We have got people going back and forth to countries that don't have such stringent precautions in place as we have. Granted people thought to be at risk of catching any diseases that are little known of here are offered the relevant vaccination but do they all have them? My sister is going to South Africa in a couple of weeks and although she will be staying with my brother she had to find out where else they would be going and have the relevant jabs to avoid carrying anything home with her, hopefully she can see a bit of the country without compromising people in the UK.

jackyalex · 30-08-2007, 23:34

i dont know much about how you get these diseases,but if you want to go somewhere that has them and you dont take precautions then you may pass them on to people ,why should my health be comprimised by someone else who doesnt take precautions,some disseases are airborn and you cant help that,and i know that some peeps cant afford treatment but thats not in this country

BERNADETTE · 31-08-2007, 00:07

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Originally Posted by jackyalex

i dont know much about how you get these diseases,but if you want to go somewhere that has them and you dont take precautions then you may pass them on to people ,why should my health be comprimised by someone else who doesnt take precautions,some disseases are airborn and you cant help that,and i know that some peeps cant afford treatment but thats not in this country

I know that my sister is having to pay for some jabs and she is quite happy to do that whether everybody else is I don't know

I think it should be compulsory to have whatever jabs are necessary and to have the paperwork to prove that you have!!

Margaret Pilkington · 31-08-2007, 09:01

Katex.....as I have said in a previous post, I have no qualms with vaccinations per se.......I just think that parents are very wary of a vaccination that may trigger bowel disorders and autism......as i also said in a previous post, if the government really had child health in their interests, then they would offer the single vaccine to parents who find the MMR unacceptable.

lettie · 31-08-2007, 16:17

I have met 2 mothers (both fairly local to Accy), in the last 10 years who lost their first child to measles. These women weren't foreigners, they where white, British, and had always lived in this country.
The original research for MMR was heavily flawed, so much so that many of the researchers have distanced themselves from it, at least one of the researchers has faced proceedings by his professional body.
New research (Rodgers, C. 2006) is now linking too many Ultrasound scans in pregnancy with Autism.... Will this stop people from having scans? I don't think so....

Vaccination is a personal decision but one which needs to thoroughly weigh the pros and cons of the relevant research and not rely on the media's sensationalist interpretation of the research.

Lilly · 31-08-2007, 20:17

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Originally Posted by jackyalex

this was the info that my health visitors gave me

The advice given to me by my health visitor was that if you are in any doubt as to whether or not to let your child have the MMR vaccine, go to Pendlebury children's hospital in Manchester and see a child that is dying of encephalitis (swelling of the brain) brought on by having measles. If you did this you would not think twice about having your child MMR vaccinated.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-08-2007, 20:24

Do you think that tactic would stop smokers as well?......I mean seeing someone gasping to breathe and in pain.....my experience is that it doesn't help at all.

Measles may cause problems with some children - but then so do vaccinations.

Parents must weigh up their own childs needs, and make the decision purely on that.

I wonder how many children the health visitor had seen, who had encephalitis caused by measles.

Lilly · 31-08-2007, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Do you think that tactic would stop smokers as well?......I mean seeing someone gasping to breathe and in pain.

They seem to think so, don't they? They're going to put pictures of such things on cigarette packets from 2009.
I wonder what would happen if they put pictures of children with encephalitis on MMR leaflets with a caption that warned people this is what can happen if you don't vaccinate.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-08-2007, 20:37

Lilly I watched my father die an agonising death with terminal lung cancer......I have five brothers, all of them smoked at the time and vowed after seeing dad die in this way, to give up the cigarettes.
How many do you think actually managed it? NONE!

I am not against vaccination for measles, but I am against the MMR.......Parents who are really worried about their children getting measles should be able to access the single vaccine more easily....and for the government to pretend they care about the health of children is laughable.....if they did care they would reinstate the single vaccine once they saw that parents were genuinely worried about the effects of MMR on some children.....the fact that the research may be flawed doesn't reassure parents at all.
How often do we see research articles one week which say one thing, and then a few weeks later the research article says quite the opposite?

I distrust government information, and I distrust research articles because I know that some researchers will bias their findings to prove what they want to prove.... a bit like statistics really, how they are portrayed can make a lot of difference.
I am just glad that I have no young babies and am not now likely to have any.

Lilly · 31-08-2007, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Lilly I watched my father die an agonising death with terminal lung cancer......I have five brothers, all of them smoked at the time and vowed after seeing dad die in this way, to give up the cigarettes.
How many do you think actually managed it? NONE!

I am not against vaccination for measles, but I am against the MMR.......Parents who are really worried about their children getting measles should be able to access the single vaccine more easily....and for the government to pretend they care about the health of children is laughable.....if they did care they would reinstate the single vaccine once they saw that parents were genuinely worried about the effects of MMR on some children.....the fact that the research may be flawed doesn't reassure parents at all.
How often do we see research articles one week which say one thing, and then a few weeks later the research article says quite the opposite?

I distrust government information, and I distrust research articles because I know that some researchers will bias their findings to prove what they want to prove.... a bit like statistics really, how they are portrayed can make a lot of difference.
I am just glad that I have no young babies and am not now likely to have any.

Got to agree with you about the pictures, Margaret. I've known people who have died of lung cancer but their relatives keep smoking. Regarding the vaccine, of course all parents want to do their best for their children and would not want them to have a vaccine that could do more harm than good. This is what annoys me though, there was never any proof that MMR caused autism. It was just whipped up in the papers and a media panic followed and made parents unneccesarily wary of the vaccine. Now we're getting a rise in measles cases which actually can cause serious harm. Like Lettie said, the silly beggars are now saying too many scans cause autism. Will we be stopping those then?
I don't think they do know what causes autism but if your child has it then you would naturally look for something to blame. I think that the MMR got the blame because the signs of autism aren't so noticeable until the child is 18 months old which is also the age the child has the MMR so people might jump to the conclusion that MMR was the cause when it wasn't.

BERNADETTE · 31-08-2007, 21:16

You would think that in this day and age a simple blood test would indicate if a child was likely to have any adverse reaction to any vaccine they were likely to have. After all you can now have test to check if you are susceptible to certain diseases, so surely if there is something in the MMR jab that is known to cause autism a simple blood chest when a baby is born would alert medical staff to the problem and the adverse affects could be avoided.