Metal Theft - Page 2

Tealeaf · 14-10-2011, 03:21

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

How would this work for say a plumber who takes scrap into the scrap yard twice a year for a drink at christmas, he is now having to have photo id and bacs payments for a few quids worth of legitimate scrap.It seems to me that this is just a back door entrance for yet another tax where payments can be traced etc to gain revenue for hm government. This is another example of us being born free and taxed to death

Where is your caravan parked up, chummy? This is exactly the sort of comment we expect from our traveller friends - pay no taxes and get summat for nowt. It seems to me that most law abiding people - including plumbers - will be more than happy to see a few changes in the system in order to break the blight of metal theft.

jaysay · 14-10-2011, 09:15

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

How would this work for say a plumber who takes scrap into the scrap yard twice a year for a drink at christmas, he is now having to have photo id and bacs payments for a few quids worth of legitimate scrap.It seems to me that this is just a back door entrance for yet another tax where payments can be traced etc to gain revenue for hm government. This is another example of us being born free and taxed to death

Every firm I ever work for did that WM. When I worked for Valley Refrigeration, we had a place called the graveyard where we dumped old commercial fridges and freezers, then twice a year we had a wrecking session and split the proceeding between everyone at the firm except the boss

jaysay · 14-10-2011, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Where is your caravan parked up, chummy? This is exactly the sort of comment we expect from our traveller friends - pay no taxes and get summat for nowt. It seems to me that most law abiding people - including plumbers - will be more than happy to see a few changes in the system in order to break the blight of metal theft.

The idea is to clamp down on thieves not to penalise hard working tradesmen who are hard pressed enough

Tealeaf · 14-10-2011, 12:36

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The idea is to clamp down on thieves not to penalise hard working tradesmen who are hard pressed enough

So your idea is to let things stand as they are? Please give us a better idea to that of stopping cash transactions on scrap metal. And if not, why should this business be different than every other?

Alan Varrechia · 14-10-2011, 13:20

Seems there is differant kinds of stealing. All depending on your outlook.

lancsdave · 14-10-2011, 18:52

Lets face it, any amendment they make in parliament will probably be a law to replace all metal with plastic rather than take action against the scum that steal it.

walkinman221 · 14-10-2011, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Where is your caravan parked up, chummy? This is exactly the sort of comment we expect from our traveller friends - pay no taxes and get summat for nowt. It seems to me that most law abiding people - including plumbers - will be more than happy to see a few changes in the system in order to break the blight of metal theft.

If for instance the pipe has been removed from a household where the plumber/builder has been working and deemed it to be obsolete tax will already have been paid when first purchased, so now you want the plumber/builder to be taxed on it again thats good "chummy". I pay more than enough tax unlike many others who pay none at all and never have and never will, the law abiding among us would be all to happy to see a change for the better in ILLEGAL scrap but it seems that again only the ones with a legitimate business would suffer having to pay for the few scumbags who abuse the system as it is.They tried the same with waste and brought in transfer licenses and all that mallarky.That worked didnt it fly tipping stopped at once and the local "tree surgeons , rubbish removal experts" rushed out to apply for theirs in droves

, so what makes you think that nerdowells and thieves will take any notice of this? I await your answer with baited breath "chummy".!!!!!

Alan Varrechia · 14-10-2011, 19:08

Would not said pipe belong to householder? If he chooses to give it awat then fair enough, take it without asking is theft.

walkinman221 · 14-10-2011, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia

Would not said pipe belong to householder? If he chooses to give it awat then fair enough, take it without asking is theft.

Not really as when replacing pipework or anything with new, quote will generally say remove replace and clear site, if you take out a window or a fireplace does the customer want it leaving in the house with the builder saying "thats yours you get rid of it"

Neil · 15-10-2011, 07:41

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

Not really as when replacing pipework or anything with new, quote will generally say remove replace and clear site, if you take out a window or a fireplace does the customer want it leaving in the house with the builder saying "thats yours you get rid of it"

If its an old cast iron fireplace I just might be selling it on myself.

As for windows, we saved the leaded windows when the bay was replaced, we just let the fitters take the rubbish away.

Alan Varrechia · 15-10-2011, 09:27

If i'm not mistaken part of the bill will be for removing any rubbish.

walkinman221 · 15-10-2011, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Neil

If its an old cast iron fireplace I just might be selling it on myself.

As for windows, we saved the leaded windows when the bay was replaced, we just let the fitters take the rubbish away.

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia

If i'm not mistaken part of the bill will be for removing any rubbish.

So by what your saying here a contractor removing anything from a job he is doing when the material is deemed obsolete or the homeowner makes no move to have them leave it for them, is stealing it. Just as the people BREAKING into substations, power compounds, rail yards and houses etc are stealing the scrap.I think you need to adjust your radar a little or summat because its nowhere near the same