Migrant Crisis in Calais

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes Son it was.....and the problem with Nige and his crew was that they had only one real policy....It was getting out of the EU......and you all know my feelings on that subject....I really don't have to labour the point(no pun intended)......

That is not true at all, UKIP had a full manifesto with lots of very good policies.
Did you vote for them or to sort out this EU problem like I did?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Perhaps the French could put a exclusion zone up with trespassers being jailed?.....

Jailed? I'd be ok with shooting anyone that tries to enter the UK illegally

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Neil

Jailed? I'd be ok with shooting anyone that tries to enter the UK illegally

It's just possible that might be breaching their Human Rights

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Neil

Jailed? I'd be ok with shooting anyone that tries to enter the UK illegally

Spoken like a true EDL,UKIP pawn...

...you'd probably be ok with shooting anyone who metal detects illegally

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Surely,they can't be coming for our benefits system if that was the case there would be more heading for the likes of Germany where benefits are better

You reckon? A few facts for you about living in the land of the Fuhrer fella.

Language - spoken/ paperwork/officialdom = German, don't speak/read it, tough, you get an interpreter but you pay!

Hartz 4 - Dole €390,00 a month approx GBP 275,00

Accommodation for claimants will be paid but only what the Arbeitsamt (Dole office) deem acceptable, if they reckon it's to big for your "basic" requirements (roof, kitchenette, bedroom, toilet/bathroom, living room) it doesn't get paid or you find the difference.

Car - sell it or downsize to a fiat panda, savings - use them up first before they cough up.

Compulsory attendance to "invites" from AbtsAmt, paperwork & copies for job applications to be presented for inspection by your "Handler"

You even get a code to enter their jobs data base, which you must use as it's checked for time/effort/compliance.

availability - always, failure to comply = sanctions (money withheld), failure to attend an interview/taster day = sanctions (money withheld), only acceptable excuse being you were at another interview (proof required) or you were dead.

And all this just for starters! These are just broad outlines of how the system works here,just for your information mind.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Spoken like a true EDL,UKIP pawn...

Nope, I'd say more like a frustrated member of the public who's been continually, disregarded, disrespected & ignored by successive "Governments"

...you'd probably be ok with shooting anyone who metal detects illegally

Ah, shooting detectorists, well if it keeps the peasantry happy .......

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

...you'd probably be ok with shooting anyone who metal detects illegally

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Ah, shooting detectorists, well if it keeps the peasantry happy .......

Me first, me first!

[Accyexplorer]

Are you saying Germany doesn't meet their criteria DinG?
Hasn't Germany suffered its far share in days gone by?...


....It's hard to stop folk who have dreamt of working in a dodgey backstreet carwash since they was little

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Me first, me first!

I thought you'd given up detecting G

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

I thought you'd given up detecting G

I have, that's why I'd enjoy an open season on detectorists, legal or not.

[Accyexplorer]

Would you not prefer to shoot these poor folk that are trying to escape to a better living?

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Are you saying Germany doesn't meet their criteria DinG?

If by criteria you mean, you ain't getting something for nothing & if you want something out of the system, put something in first, no, I believe it certainly doesn't appeal to your average illegal.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Would you not prefer to shoot these poor folk that are trying to escape to a better living?

Big job, that, AccE.
There's 1,200,000,000 people in Africa alone, most of them would have a better living in Europe.

Different question- are you so kind you're prepared to welcome over a billion people?
Not to mention the Middle east and Asia!

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

If by criteria you mean, you ain't getting something for nothing & if you want something out of the system, put something in first, no, I believe it certainly doesn't appeal to your average illegal.

Can your 'average illegal' claim benefits in the uk,don't they have to claim asylum etc to claim?
I honestly don't know

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Big job, that, AccE.
There's 1,200,000,000 people in Africa alone, most of them would have a better living in Europe.

Different question- are you so kind you're prepared to welcome over a billion people?
Not to mention the Middle east and Asia!

Isn't it time the EU stands up and makes these country's accountable for its citizens?...Like I've said, I don't have the answers....


...perhaps we could draft in the army to do the shooting since your not upto the job

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

That is not true at all, UKIP had a full manifesto with lots of very good policies.
Did you vote for them or to sort out this EU problem like I did?

Neil what do you think?(and you know me very well by now...so that is a rhetorical question)
They had a full manifesto but I really didn't feel confident in their ability to do the things that they had in there...and if you asked most people why they voted for this party, it wasn't on what was in the manifesto, but more as a protest vote against the major parties, or on the 'out of the EU ticket'.
And some of the shenanigans that occurred before the election showed them to be unprofessional(can you call a politician unprofessional?)

They might have had good policies, but they are no good if you are not in a majority situation...and that was never going to happen so a vote for them was a wasted vote.