Migration At A New High - Page 2

lancsdave · 16-11-2007, 09:42

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Originally Posted by lettie

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. When you read forums such as British Expats.com you will find that most of the moves have nothing to do with British House prices. The most popular places for British movers are Australia and New Zealand (I have lost about 10 of my colleagues to those places in the last 3 years).

People on these forums are generally peeved about - The crime rate, overcrowding, abuse of the benefits and health care systems, the weather etc. Many young British families want to live and work where they can support themselves without being taxed to the hilt to support immigrants and those who won't work, they have no problem supporting those who can't work. Many of them are happy to pay for their own health care without having to pay for the healthcare of illegal immigrants, health tourists etc.

I have to say that I totally see why they move and if Sparks would come with me I'd be off Down Under like a shot...

The wages aren't as good as here and the house prices are very high in comparison to the wages but the outdoor lifestyle, less overcrowding and generally laid back attitude more than makes up for this.

More or less the same reasons given by my sister. Quality of life.

She also has a friend who is emigrating. The friend is a newly qualified nurse who ended up with no job in the recent efficiency drive by our local NHS Trust. Beggars belief.

MargaretR · 16-11-2007, 09:45

QUOTE house prices are very high in comparison to the wages

which is due to?..........need for more houses!

lancsdave · 16-11-2007, 09:46

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

QUOTE house prices are very high in comparison to the wages

which is due to?..........need for more houses!

Why is there need for more houses ? Lots of boarded up ones just in Accrington alone.

MargaretR · 16-11-2007, 09:55

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Why is there need for more houses ? Lots of boarded up ones just in Accrington alone.

OK then ...more houses (that are fit to live in ).
Social housing provides an acceptable standard of housing at reasonable rent. Private landlords charge more for less.
We are now suffering from the after effects of tory rule where council houses were sold and no replacements built.
We were all indoctrinated that owner occupation was the ideal for all ...it isn't!

cashman · 16-11-2007, 10:16

did it for 2 1/2 years, loved it, returned for circumstances beyond my control,but thats the way life pans out. used to love this country,still do, just hate what it has become.reason i moved was better quality of life, plus the fact i was on the employment scrap heap at 50yrs old, which was a hell of a shock at the time,housing was not even a small factor in my descision. most people i spoke to out there who were of employment age gave the same reasons, so i would think the report (housing) is garbage for the reason for migration, whilst housing is issue, its a completely different one.

lancsdave · 16-11-2007, 10:19

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

OK then ...more houses (that are fit to live in ).
Social housing provides an acceptable standard of housing at reasonable rent. Private landlords charge more for less.
We are now suffering from the after effects of tory rule where council houses were sold and no replacements built.
We were all indoctrinated that owner occupation was the ideal for all ...it isn't!

Maybe we do need more social housing but then again a lot of socail housing is ruined by it's occupants not the council or government. We live in a country where moral standards have severley declined and thats why people are getting out. If there weren't complications with absent parents I'm pretty sure we could have our bags packed in 5 minutes

blazey · 16-11-2007, 10:59

Moral standards in decline isn't necessarily due to just one class of people in my opinion. I think that as we live in a society based on economy rather than welfare and wellbeing for all, in other words self fulfillment, there is an attitude of 'if i can do it then so can they'.

People who live in houses that are not well kept could be very ashamed for all you know, but how many people in those houses can afford to properly maintain a property, or want to do work on a property that isn't theirs?
Some people living in housing association houses probably do feel ashamed of their circumstances, but perhaps rather than not being houseproud enough to maintain their home, theyre too proud to put the money they're being given to live on back into a house thats not their either. Just trying to think of it in that sort of perspective, because if your being given government money and then putting it all back into the property your living in owned by them, then what actually do you have to call your own? Aren't you not just part of an indirect economic institution rather than one of welfare if that happens?

I mean, obviously a lick of paint wouldnt be enough to reach this viewpoint, but often some houses are badly in need of a lot more than that, and there are many places locally and probably in small areas in every county, that have houses that look terrible, but the government dont want to put any money into them, because its easier to make the local employed social group think its the tenants fault for not funding upkeep of the house, but basically thats just the governments way of telling the working people that the unemployed should just pay all their welfare back into the system effectively.

Anyway, I was up extremely late last night and that may not actually make sense, but I hate the idea of just blaming the people who live there without considering that there could be more to it than that.

Margaret Pilkington · 16-11-2007, 11:32

There have been many house in our locality that could have been renovated....but have been knocked down, and shoebox style properties built on the land.
The houses that were knocked down were homes with history......sometimes lived in by families for generations....these families were subject to compulsory purchase.......when they could have been allocated grant money to bring their property up to a decent standard.

Alas, we lived in a society that thinks everything is disposable.

lettie · 16-11-2007, 15:04

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

QUOTE house prices are very high in comparison to the wages

which is due to?..........need for more houses!

If you read my post you will realise that the house prices are high in comparison to wages in Australia and NZ..... I was not referring to the UK. All of my recently emigrated friends have found houses Down Under and moved in within a month of buying them.
The housing market is booming in Aus and NZ with prices very high, this reflects their own markets. Most Brits manage to buy with no hassles and do get more for their money than here (generally). However, wages are generally poorer than here for a lot of professions, especially in NZ. I would be taking a massive pay cut in order to move but for many people, money isn't everything....... My mates all moved for lifestyle. They have quality free time with their families, better weather which enables them to do something with their free time rather than freezing their bits off and staying indoors but, they also have less money..

BERNADETTE · 16-11-2007, 15:55

Your quite right Lettie, Ian's nephew is struggling to get onto the property ladder in Australia though his mum thinks that if they were a bit more careful they would manage it. The trouble is they have got a few kids and as with anywhere else kids are very expensive. My sister-in-law did say prices were going through the roof, it will be like every where else when demand for housing rises so does the cost.

Eric · 16-11-2007, 19:26

Has anyone considered that in some ways humans are a migratory species? "Migration at a New High" could have been a headline in the Genghis Khan Times, or the Saxon Chronicle. Stability is a myth ... so is the Golden Age when everyting was better ... Remember the more or less stable and homogenous populations of the early 20c? The only time they went anywhere was to have a knock down drag out war, or to take over the land of those whose military technology was lagging behind the European standard.

cashman · 16-11-2007, 19:45

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Originally Posted by Eric

Has anyone considered that in some ways humans are a migratory species? "Migration at a New High" could have been a headline in the Genghis Khan Times, or the Saxon Chronicle. Stability is a myth ... so is the Golden Age when everyting was better ... Remember the more or less stable and homogenous populations of the early 20c? The only time they went anywhere was to have a knock down drag out war, or to take over the land of those whose military technology was lagging behind the European standard.

interesting thought Eric,would agree with 90% of it,the Golden Age being a myth, i aint so sure? i think the 60s were a Golden Age.

Eric · 16-11-2007, 20:05

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Originally Posted by cashman

interesting thought Eric,would agree with 90% of it,the Golden Age being a myth, i aint so sure? i think the 60s were a Golden Age.

Ah the sixties! A buddy of mine once told me that anyone who can remebler clearly what it was like in the 60s wasn't really there

I know that I was stoned out of my gourd most of the time. Ah well, some things never change

Margaret Pilkington · 16-11-2007, 20:37

Well, Eric.....maybe I led a sheltered life. I do remember the sixties.....I was there, but never ever under the influence of anything stronger than orange juice....I suppose that makes me a sad old thing!

derekgas · 17-11-2007, 09:09

My son moved to spain, simply because he is not happy with our rapidly changing country, and he can live in spain for 1/3 of the cost here, he and his partner only have to work the equivelant of 2 1/2 days there to pay the bills and socialise. The large garden, swimming pool and sunshine are just a bonus.