More to show how pathetic the justice system is

[Tin Monkey]

Originally Posted by blazey

I got to agree with you,

Oh dear.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Oh dear.

I know, I was disappointed I had to agree with you as well because you seem to cause as much trouble on the forum as the next student

[WillowTheWhisp]

T M is absolutely right though. None of us have seen this girl so we are in no position to insist that she could not have been mistaken for a 16 year old.

[garinda]

A child of ten cannot give consent to sexual intercourse, therefore it is rape, no matter what she was wearing or looks like.

By the same dangerous precedent, are women who wear clothes and makeup, to make themselves look attractive, asking to be raped?

[cashman]

i,m with tin monkey n blazey on this one,of coarse 10 yr olds need protecting,but unless weve seen her n heard all there is too hear then no-ones in a position to say, think Mary Bell was only a couple of years older when she commited murder? and kids were less developed/ more niave in those days?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cashman

i,m with tin monkey n blazey on this one,of coarse 10 yr olds need protecting,but unless weve seen her n heard all there is too hear then no-ones in a position to say, think Mary Bell was only a couple of years older when she commited murder? and kids were less developed/ more niave in those days?

Mary Bell was ten when she killed, but this isn't an issue about criminal liability. This girl isn't a criminal, she's a victim.

I remain totally unconvinced that two grown men can't tell the difference between a ten year old girl and someone who is at least sixteen.

I suppose someone could supply a picture as evidence, of a child looking like a sexually active woman, but that's what most civilised people call child pornography.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by garinda

Mary Bell was ten when she killed, but this isn't an issue about criminal liability. This girl isn't a criminal, she's a victim.

I remain totally unconvinced that two grown men can't tell the difference between a ten year old girl and someone who is at least sixteen.

I suppose someone could supply a picture as evidence, of a child looking like a sexually active woman, but that's what most civilised people call child pornography.

if what the prosecution themselves say is correct, both could be victims? many things in life seem very unlikely but surprise us.

[Less]

Well I find it amazing, a ten year old child is a ten year old child, she needs protection no matter how old she looks. There are no circumstances that I can think of, (probably no examples that could convince me), that this was anything but the rape of a child! How much of an imagination do I need to pretend that a ten year old can look sixteen, if I managed to get that sort of idea into my head I would be as sick as the people that actually do think no harm is done to a child that is treated in this manner.

She is a child, she cannot be accused as an adult, these men took advantage, as many of us could do with many innocent children, but we know right from wrong so fortunately these cases don't appear as often as they might.

No matter how precocious that child might have been she needed guidance but not of the sexual kind!

[steeljack]

have to agree with Less and Grinda on this , the excuse that she was sexually active "Lolita" no way negates that this was child abuse , maybe other posters who have made excuses for these animals also believe the old saying , "no one misses a slice of a cut loaf"

[WillowTheWhisp]

I wish we could all see this 10 year old to see what she does look like. I totally agree that sexually molesting a child of 10 is wrong but when the prosecution themselves admit that she doesn't look like a child of 10 then it throws a whole new light on this particular case.

That isn't to say that raping anyone is ever acceptable but if someone thinks they are having consensual sex with someone of legal age it must make a difference surely.

My first reaction to this case on hearing that she looked 16 was to say in a very sarcastic voice "Oh so that makes it OK then to rape a 16 year old, does it?" but then when I read further that she had instigated it then I began to change my views and think there was a lot more to this than we are ever likely to be aware of.

I agree 100% that a child of 10 needs protection. This child of 10 has apparently been 'in care' since the age of 4 so somewhere along the lines she has been let down very badly to be so sexually aware and promiscuous at her age. I think that could do with looking into. At 4 she wouldn't have been streetwise and sexually active so where did it all go wrong?

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

I think some of you are confusing this girl with the ideal 10 year old.

Not really, I drop my little girl of a school every day, (Primary) and Im sure NONE of the Girls in the school would look anything like 16.

Like buying Fags, a underage buys fags, she "looks" 16 but is only 10, the Trading Standards find out, will the shop get away with it, NO, should the shop made sure she was 16, YES.

IMO, even if they thought she was 16, she WASNT, they should be made a example of.

There should be a ZERO tollerance on ANY child cases where the child is let say under 13. And the offender over 18, and by ZERO tollerence I mean ZERO tollerance.

If in any doubt Proof of age should be asked for especialy in the climate of today.

[blazey]

She was a sexually active 10yr old girl, that in itself is more of a surprise than the fact these men had slept with her, I mean she was said to be experienced and had done it before.

At 10yrs old she herself is liable for criminal behaviour and I am sorry but children cannot go out intending to sleep with men and then be treated like victims. That in itself is abnormal disgusting behavior and she is old enough to be legally liable for her own actions.

Its happened before and it will happen again. Little girls behaving like that is a product of society, not the legal system, and thats a much bigger worry than the fact this man still went to prison and has recked his life. He's going to have to carry that record around for a long long time. I think that's enough punishment for a man who slept with a willing sexually active ten year old.

It absolutely sickens me that a little girl manipulates men to sleep with her believing she is much older and nobody is worried about the mental state of a person who would act in such a way at that age. Bringing up the example of Mary Bell is a VERY good example as its another case of a seriously messed up little girl just at a different level. What children are actually capable of doing is scary and from 10yr old upwards yes they ARE treated like a criminal, so they best face up to some responsibility if they want to have a sex life.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by blazey

she was said to be experienced

Yes that is definitely the most worrying part of this whole sorry saga. Being sexually experienced at 10 years old does not put her on a par with your average junior school ten year old.

[blazey]

Whoever gave Tin monkey bad rep aswell without putting their name to it is a coward and kindly got me blamed for it. Why he would think it was me when I was the one who said I agreed with him I do not really know as he didnt say what the message was but I assume it offended him quite a bit.

The bad rep was 'if your going to say something at least put your name to it' off him to me. I would've said something to any of you in here if I didn't like what you said, I dont need to take it to the reputation system unless I think you've said something inappropriate.

I think the person who did do it should own up instead of being a coward.

And if it WAS me just on the off chance, I apologise for not putting my name. It could be a case of me forgetting as I do have short term memory problems but I dont recall handing out any reputation tonight.

[blazey]

Definatly wasn't me as I can and have given him good rep as I agreed with his point and I put my name... you can verify that with the mods tin monkey if you have suspicions that I got someone else to give it u on my behalf or something.

My memory is bad but it isnt that bad