mr britcliffe

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

we shouldn't take everything at face value just because it's in a newspaper.

Bit it's not the Sunday Sport, the Mirror, or even the Guardian.

It comes from that bastion of right-wing politics, the Daily Telegraph no less.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

Bit it's not the Sunday Sport, the Mirror, or even the Guardian.

It comes from that bastion of right-wing politics, the Daily Telegraph no less.

A paper I always read given three spare hours in a day it's the best of all the rags, (except for page 3).

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

A paper I always read given three spare hours in a day it's the best of all the rags, (except for page 3).

I like the crossword, but can only ever do Monday's one.

I think that Monday's setter must have a similar brain to mine...unhinged.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

What alternatives do you propose?

You asked I made an attempt of an answer, come on Oh wise one, surely I deserve to be put in my place?

Perhaps spending less on litter Police and more on the poor guys that have to clean it up?
Perhaps employing more refuse collectors rather than someone to search through ordinary folks waste, just to make sure they are recycling properly?

Using a carrot for the donkey, i.e. "excuse me Sir, but this is our town please don't throw you fag end in the street", instead of people hiding and photographing offenders just to make an extra few pounds.

I quite like our gentlemen that go around with their brush and shovel attempting to keep the streets clean, give them a bit of limelight, show people what a worthwhile job they are doing rather than paying over the odds for sneak Police. Educate the masses before you punish them!

I know it's an offence to litter, but I'm sure that people would co-operate more to gentle persuasion than something like a £70 fine, the first time I'm caught for making a mistake, (I always try to remember to use a bin), will be the time I stop searching for a bin and just watch out for the camera!

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

I like the crossword, but can only ever do Monday's one.

I think that Monday's setter must have a similar brain to mine...unhinged.

Friday's is a bummer and as for the weekends..... they should give more than a pen!

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by Less

Friday's is a bummer and as for the weekends..... they should give more than a pen!

And a rubber's not much use either

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Even what Peter Britcliffe writes in this week's Observer, as to why we should vote for him?

If it cites figures then it only makes sense to have a look to see if they're accurate!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Bit it's not the Sunday Sport, the Mirror, or even the Guardian.

It comes from that bastion of right-wing politics, the Daily Telegraph no less.

I don't care where it comes from. Look at the way they have come up with the figure, and ask if its representative of Hyndburn. You will find that it cites band D houses and does not take into account the fact that the majority of people are not paying £1500+ council tax bills.

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

I don't care where it comes from. Look at the way they have come up with the figure, and ask if its representative of Hyndburn. You will find that it cites band D houses and does not take into account the fact that the majority of people are not paying £1500+ council tax bills.

If theyve used band D across all the councils well then its fair. If they used band A from hyndburn, band c from rossendale, band b from blackburn - thats not fair is it.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Less

Yes you are arguing against him, you are trying to make everything rosy so far as your views are concerned, now that 'rindy has you cornered you are trying to make it seem YOU'RE educating him, I think we've seen enough of his posts to realise he doesn't need to learn much from a first year college student to know when the toilets blocked, 'cos there's a stink coming from somewhere!

I'm arguing against the figures. He said he was simply quoting so how can I argue against him?

I'm not painting everything as rosy, but I am saying that we are not the most expensive council. It matters a great deal which band they surveyed. If you calculate it using what's actually happening in reality, you'll see that a MUCH lower percentage of income goes to council tax than it states.

The figure is worked out from average salary and then what percentage of income goes to council tax if you're in BAND D. Considering most people living in band D properties have an income of more than £17,000 it's not at all accurate.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

I don't care where it comes from. Look at the way they have come up with the figure, and ask if its representative of Hyndburn. You will find that it cites band D houses and does not take into account the fact that the majority of people are not paying £1500+ council tax bills.

Proper little politician, only answering what you've been briefed to answer and ignoring everything else!

You asked a question, you got an answer, now please tell me what is right or what is wrong, what is too simplistic or what is too complex about my answer or even how irrelivant it is, but at least have the courtesy to answer!

Don't just ignore it because it wasn't part of today's course lecture.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

If theyve used band D across all the councils well then its fair. If they used band A from hyndburn, band c from rossendale, band b from blackburn - thats not fair is it.

How is it fair? Every constituency has different numbers of households under band A, B, C, D.. It was done on band D to compare the north to the south, and of course it looks like the north is more expensive because the average incomes are lower, but they're still comparing band D property.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Less

Proper little politician, only answering what you've been briefed to answer and ignoring everything else!

You asked a question, you got an answer, now please tell me what is right or what is wrong, what is too simplistic or what is too complex about my answer or even how irrelivant it is, but at least have the courtesy to answer!

Don't just ignore it because it wasn't part of today's course lecture.

See the post above yours?

Don't try and paint me as stupid because I'm a student. I haven't learnt about this from any lecture, I did the research in my own time. Trying to belittle somebody because of their age really doesn't wash.

[Loz]

Well considering they take £1200 a year from me and my fiance in council tax i would say they are expensive.
Between us we only earn around £15,000 it is a sizeable chunk of our income.
What the hell do you get for this money anyway?
It's a joke in my opinion,how do they justify it?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

See the post above yours?

Don't try and paint me as stupid because I'm a student. I haven't learnt about this from any lecture, I did the research in my own time. Trying to belittle somebody because of their age really doesn't wash.

And that is your answer?

You would rather cry about me teasing you for being a student rather than reply to something, about which after all, you, asked the question:-

Originally Posted by Cyfr

What alternatives do you propose?

Believe it or not I happen to be a floating voter, I have never tied myself to one political party because I believe we all change some of our view points, two things have me thinking tonight however, one was a Labour representative that put a leaflet through my door but couldn't be arsed to close my gate! (proof of a caring party), the other is a blinkered young tory that instead of talking common sense hides behind 'facts & figures' that we all know can be manipulated either to suit us or to be dismissed as inaccurate.

Now can I ask you to come out from behind your smoke screen, stop pretending I've upset the inner student and reply to what I posted in reply to you?