Mugabi - Page 2

shillelagh · 04-04-2008, 18:20

I saw something on a website the otherday - 26million americans live on food coupons...

Eric · 04-04-2008, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

What's all this to do with Magabi?

Not too much .... but looking back at the posts it seems to be my fault ...

I believe the point I was trying to make is that M is not the only leader who has trashed his country for personal gain ... he is just more up front about it. Sure he inherited a great country, but little else to go with it .... I don't think that democracy can be imposed, it has to grow thro' trial and error ... Zimbabwe got freedom, but someone forgot to give them the manual on how to use it. I know it seems to trivialize what is happening, but finding a fit form of govt. ... and I don't mean one identical to ours (the Canadian system is a lot like that in the UK) ... involves going thro' a lot of growing pains and teething problems ... England arrived at the system they have now thro' violent struggle ... The Americans won their freedom at places like Valley Forge and fought a civil war to partly resolve some divisive issues ... Canadians formed their independent national identity on the slopes of Vimy Ridge ... Zimbabweans will hopefully come to some sort of resolution to the problems they have ... hopefully their next leader will not be a dictator masquerading as a democratic leader .... but I'm not holding my breath

Royboy39 · 04-04-2008, 18:29

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

I saw something on a website the otherday - 26million americans live on food coupons...

What in Zimbabwe?

shillelagh · 04-04-2008, 18:34

No royboy sorry for the thread wander but the rest were talking bout america so i just tagged it in!!!

Will you accept my apologies?

Royboy39 · 04-04-2008, 18:38

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

No royboy sorry for the thread wander but the rest were talking bout america so i just tagged it in!!!

Will you accept my apologies?

Of course............just teasing.....no problem

steeljack · 04-04-2008, 19:10

One thing which no one has mentioned is the fact that Mugabe did not gain independance for Zimbabwe from Britain , the guy who brought independance to Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was Ian Smith . All Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo did was lead a bunch of killer marxist thugs armed by the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans . The same folks who shot down a civilian airliner carrying women and children and then machine gunned the surviving passengers . And what did the British Govt. do ? ....sod all ....so much for Harold Wilson and his famous at the time speech about our "kith and kin" .
Britain abandoned Rhodesia/Zimbabwe at the time of UDI in 65 , when Smitty took over, the bush war followed , with thousands being killed on both sides till 79 when a settlement between Ian Smith's Govt. and the Zanu/Zapu forces was reached.
Definatly not one of Britains finest hours

Royboy39 · 04-04-2008, 20:11

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Originally Posted by steeljack

One thing which no one has mentioned is the fact that Mugabe did not gain independance for Zimbabwe from Britain , the guy who brought independance to Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was Ian Smith . All Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo did was lead a bunch of killer marxist thugs armed by the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans . The same folks who shot down a civilian airliner carrying women and children and then machine gunned the surviving passengers . And what did the British Govt. do ? ....sod all ....so much for Harold Wilson and his famous at the time speech about our "kith and kin" .
Britain abandoned Rhodesia/Zimbabwe at the time of UDI in 65 , when Smitty took over, the bush war followed , with thousands being killed on both sides till 79 when a settlement between Ian Smith's Govt. and the Zanu/Zapu forces was reached.
Definatly not one of Britains finest hours

That is fact and written down in history......Not very many members on this forum are old enough to remember...I think we have moved on and are, I hope more aware of what is happening in the world....You and I have moved from the land of our birth by choice...We hope that we are safe and use the laws of our chosen country to ensure that.
Rhodesia was and wonderful country, self sufficient and a world apart from the Zimbabwe we know today. Do you think that the British Taxpayer after UDI should have supported the one's who wanted to be free of colonial rule.?.......I don't think so...If they or any other British Colony or Protectorate wanted to run their own affairs...get on with it.
I think Magabi is worse than Saddam and agree that a challenge to his rule has been a long time coming.
Strutting like a peacock in his Armani suits whils't Zimbabwe starves.
I think that the distracting awareness of climate change should be focused on the climate in Zimbabwe where I fear many people will be subjected to the brutal and oppresive regime of the "Still Tyrant"
Robert Magabi

onlyme · 04-04-2008, 20:26

dunno, but wish people would learn more about using paragraphs. Might read stuff then

Royboy39 · 04-04-2008, 20:34

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Originally Posted by onlyme

dunno, but wish people would learn more about using paragraphs. Might read stuff then

In whatever form it is better than the non funny one liners meant to be funny that appear on the forum regularly.
Study and be educated.

Stanaccy · 04-04-2008, 20:38

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Not our problem , they (the Zimbabweans) have systematically destroyed one of the best places on earth . Same as has happened with 90% of every other 'free' African country , Kenya and South Africa are heading the same way .

Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

The majority of the populace under Smith were disenfranchised and fought for freedom. Yes they made the wrong choice with Mugabe but hindsight is 100% perfect.

But reading the post above post I assume steeljack would rather Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and South Africa retained their Apartheid regimes.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra.

onlyme · 04-04-2008, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

In whatever form it is better than the non funny one liners meant to be funny that appear on the forum regularly.
Study and be educated.

I apologise for my regular and irregular one liners Roy. Maybe I should take a course in Humour.

Or maybe, other people are of the same opinion as myself, that when delivering an argument, it should be done in a clear and concise manner to engage the audience and keep them interested.

Verbally this is done by inclination, tone and speed of voice. Surely the equivalent in a verbal form is correct paragraphing?

Royboy39 · 04-04-2008, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra.

It is my understanding that funds are available for the rebuilding of Zimbabwe from many countries around the world but none are willing to take a chance on Migabi.
I wonder how many people in Zimbabwe aware of that?
Watch the voted being rigged, bullying,press not allowed to cover and so it goes on.
Robert....On your bike

Royboy39 · 04-04-2008, 20:55

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Originally Posted by onlyme

I apologise for my regular and irregular one liners Roy. Maybe I should take a course in Humour.

Or maybe, other people are of the same opinion as myself, that when delivering an argument, it should be done in a clear and concise manner to engage the audience and keep them interested.

Verbally this is done by inclination, tone and speed of voice. Surely the equivalent in a verbal form is correct paragraphing?

I refuse to enter into useless retoric Rindy style.
If you are serious about a particular subject and are not particularly worried about the pro's and cons of punctuation??????

shillelagh · 04-04-2008, 21:02

ok i got the tv on - which is a change - and the news is on bbc 1. I thought the BBC was banned from zimbabwe - by Mr Mugabe saying the bbc was biased? Theyve just said that they were live from zimbabwe....

onlyme · 04-04-2008, 21:03

Although I take that as a compliment, you are completely missing the point.

The whole idea of threads such as these is to rouse peoples opinions and perhaps sway them by your argument.

If the audience can not read the argument, there is no swaying.

However, you may indeed take the final word, as this little tete a tete is wandering from the thread.