Multiculteral Britain - A No,No? - Page 19

Barrie Yates · 23-09-2009, 14:17

Here in France there are no translated official documents - if you want a translation - go and pay for one. of course there are plenty of officials here who are will ing to help if you are polite and make an attempt to speak French - no matter how badly. You want to get a job here, you have to speak French, even to the extent of a French driving test (Certificate of Competency) for anything over 3.5 tons. Some of the horror stories I have heard of immigrant drivers turning up to drive passennger vehicles having passed their "driving test" on disused Eastern Bloc airfields, really make you wonder what England has become.

Eric · 24-09-2009, 19:15

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Here in France there are no translated official documents - if you want a translation - go and pay for one. of course there are plenty of officials here who are will ing to help if you are polite and make an attempt to speak French - no matter how badly. You want to get a job here, you have to speak French, even to the extent of a French driving test (Certificate of Competency) for anything over 3.5 tons. Some of the horror stories I have heard of immigrant drivers turning up to drive passennger vehicles having passed their "driving test" on disused Eastern Bloc airfields, really make you wonder what England has become.

Sounds a lot like Quebec

cashman · 24-09-2009, 19:18

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Sounds a lot like Quebec

Spain is just the same, only us that are stupid.

Eric · 24-09-2009, 19:39

On the radio the other day the CBC were interviewing this Afghani guy in France .... he needed a translator, tho', because he didn't speak English .... he was up front about why he was trying to make it to the UK .... food, shelter and health care for his family. Seems like you guys have a major league problem going on. With all these freeloaders ready to descend on your shores, maybe it's time to do a Nancy Reagan, and just say "no".

BERNADETTE · 24-09-2009, 19:49

I think the vast majority of people have been able to see the problems for a long time Eric, just can't get anybody in power to recognise what is going on.

Eric · 24-09-2009, 20:03

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I think the vast majority of people have been able to see the problems for a long time Eric, just can't get anybody in power to recognise what is going on.

This sounds really crazy .... there are some things which are obvious .... if the majority can see that there is a problem, why can't those representatives the people vote for see it? I know that there are a lot of voices speaking from the lunatic fringe parties (we even hear about it in this pleasant backwater country of ours), but why is it that the mainstream parties won't admit there is a problem? Maybe your PM is hoping that the BNP will drain votes from the tories in the next election

Immigration is fine if you need people, particularly people with certain skills; but to let in anyone and everyone is just plain nuts. Ah well, none of my business really.

SPUGGIE J · 24-09-2009, 20:09

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This sounds really crazy .... there are some things which are obvious .... if the majority can see that there is a problem, why can't those representatives the people vote for see it? I know that there are a lot of voices speaking from the lunatic fringe parties (we even hear about it in this pleasant backwater country of ours), but why is it that the mainstream parties won't admit there is a problem? Maybe your PM is hoping that the BNP will drain votes from the tories in the next election

Immigration is fine if you need people, particularly people with certain skills; but to let in anyone and everyone is just plain nuts. Ah well, none of my business really.

One phrase springs to mind "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" cant bash the minorities unless you want time at HMP.

Eric · 24-09-2009, 20:58

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One phrase springs to mind "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" cant bash the minorities unless you want time at HMP.

I honestly do believe that somewhere between "promoting hatred" and "political correctness" there lies something that, for want of a better term, can be called "common sense". Out here in the boonies, it is illegal to promote hatred of a particular group, say for example, "muslims", "jews", "gays", but freedom of speech is still alive and well ....

Question: when the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood on his hind legs to spout his hatred of Israel, did the Brits, like the Candians walk out?

SPUGGIE J · 24-09-2009, 21:06

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I honestly do believe that somewhere between "promoting hatred" and "political correctness" there lies something that, for want of a better term, can be called "common sense". Out here in the boonies, it is illegal to promote hatred of a particular group, say for example, "muslims", "jews", "gays", but freedom of speech is still alive and well ....

Question: when the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood on his hind legs to spout his hatred of Israel, did the Brits, like the Candians walk out?

Common sense is something they have never heard of over here in the corridors of power. As for walking out they were scared that a minority over here would have marched in protest. That would mean making a hard choice which is impossible for them to do. Their back bones are as ridged as a peice of fine sewing thread.

Eric · 24-09-2009, 21:39

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Common sense is something they have never heard of over here in the corridors of power. As for walking out they were scared that a minority over here would have marched in protest. That would mean making a hard choice which is impossible for them to do. Their back bones are as ridged as a peice of fine sewing thread.

When asked by the media about Canada's decision to walk out of the Iranian leader's address, our PM (whom I don't particularly like, and would never vote for) said: "Canada makes its own decisions on these matters. There is no way I am going to permit any official of the Government of Canada to be present and give any legitimacy to remarks made by a leader like that." Nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again, is there.

LYNX1 · 24-09-2009, 21:55

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When asked by the media about Canada's decision to walk out of the Iranian leader's address, our PM (whom I don't particularly like, and would never vote for) said: "Canada makes its own decisions on these matters. There is no way I am going to permit any official of the Government of Canada to be present and give any legitimacy to remarks made by a leader like that." Nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again, is there.

Can you send him over here for a while eric........could teach our lot a thing or two

cashman · 24-09-2009, 22:12

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When asked by the media about Canada's decision to walk out of the Iranian leader's address, our PM (whom I don't particularly like, and would never vote for) said: "Canada makes its own decisions on these matters. There is no way I am going to permit any official of the Government of Canada to be present and give any legitimacy to remarks made by a leader like that." Nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again, is there.

Top geezer in my book.

i would even say that about a tory here if they did similar.

Eric · 24-09-2009, 23:21

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Can you send him over here for a while eric........could teach our lot a thing or two

Doing and saying what he did is not all that difficult. Canada is a friend and supporter of Israel; a position I fully agree with, but that's another argument. Given the nature of many of the Iranian leader's remarks concerning Israel, and Iran's strong anti-Israeli policies, PM Harper could do little else. I realise that I may be coming on strong in support of my country, but I don't see anything wrong with that either. There is no argument here about a multicultural Canada ... we have what we like to call a "cultural mosaic", and it seems to work well enough. However, first and foremost, we are Canadian; and damn proud to be so.

Tealeaf · 24-09-2009, 23:44

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.....However, first and foremost, we are Canadian; and damn proud to be so.

Indeed you are, Eric; however, had it not been for us Brits you would now be no more than a "Department de France", or even worse, the 51st State of the Union. This month is, as you know, the 250th anniversary of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham. I trust you have been reminding your Froggie neighbours of that fact and of who was the victor.

Eric · 25-09-2009, 00:23

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Indeed you are, Eric; however, had it not been for us Brits you would now be no more than a "Department de France", or even worse, the 51st State of the Union. This month is, as you know, the 250th anniversary of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham. I trust you have been reminding your Froggie neighbours of that fact and of who was the victor.

They did have some sort of ceremony in Quebec City .... it went over like a fart in a space suit.

Because a lot of folks are ignorant about Canada, they think that we are sitting around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for the Americans to invite us to become the fifty first state

No way. In fact, we have more in common with you guys than we do with the yanks. All new Canadians, for example, must swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen ... the only ones who seem to object to this are .... well, have a guess.

But if we can make a country out of two founding nations, almost 700 First Nations, people from every corner of the world, of every race, religion, political persuasion, fishermen from Newfoundland, wheat farmers from Saskatchewan, and wierdos from British California, etc., etc., surely you guys can do it. All that new Britons need to do is fit in and contribute, in order to make a stronger Britain. I think that's why discussions like this bug me ... the answer is so simple (well in theory anyhow) ... a real no-brainer. The UK is a great country with lots to offer; but if you bend over forwards to over-accomodate immigrants, guess what will happen .....