Multiculteral Britain - A No,No? - Page 9

jaysay · 19-03-2009, 20:57

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Was just using Turkey as an example in answer to Eric's question about automatic right of citizenship placed on the location of the birth, dont think a child of any EU parents (including British) born in Germany automatically gets German citizenship as a right , unlike the UK and US which automatically grants citizenship if the place of birth is within that country .

Maybe an Accy web user who lives in Spain can tell us if a child born in Spain of British passport holders (or other nationality) automatically qualifies for Spainish citizenship.

That's a good question SJ. both my grandsons were born in Hong Kong, both their parents are British citizens born and bred, but what the status is I'm baffled, will try and find out and report back. I honestly think that they are classed as British citizens, but in this Topsy turvy world who knows

Wynonie Harris · 19-03-2009, 21:10

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Maybe an Accy web user who lives in Spain can tell us if a child born in Spain of British passport holders (or other nationality) automatically qualifies for Spainish citizenship.

Whether it does or not, they can still live and work there indefinitely. I would think that after a period of time, they'd be able to apply for Spanish citizenship.

As you say, though, maybe one of our Spanish expats can enlighten us. I would imagine they'll all be out at their Spanish classes at the moment ("When in Rome" and all that), but they should be back soon.

Royboy39 · 19-03-2009, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Whether it does or not, they can still live and work there indefinitely. I would think that after a period of time, they'd be able to apply for Spanish citizenship.

As you say, though, maybe one of our Spanish expats can enlighten us. I would imagine they'll all be out at their Spanish classes at the moment ("When in Rome" and all that), but they should be back soon.

Watching Man City at the moment but yes children born in Spain to a legal entrant are registered as Spanish and can be considered for dual nationality on account of their parentage.

steeljack · 19-03-2009, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

Watching Man City at the moment but yes children born in Spain to a legal entrant are registered as Spanish and can be considered for dual nationality on account of their parentage.

Do you happen know if the offspring of illegals get Spanish citizenship just because they were born there ?

garinda · 20-03-2009, 00:22

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Do you happen know if the offspring of illegals get Spanish citizenship just because they were born there ?

'Spain is processing work papers for about 700,000 illegal immigrants already living in the country after holding a three-month amnesty.'
'Over the last couple of decades Spain has gone from being a country of economic migrants to being a desirable destination for economic immigrants.

Immigration to Spain has increased five-fold since 1999, but the country's Socialist government says it is determined to turn what might seem like a huge problem into a distinct advantage'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4579127.stm

The answer is yes, as is the same througout the E.E.C.

cashman · 20-03-2009, 00:23

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Do you happen know if the offspring of illegals get Spanish citizenship just because they were born there ?

Can't see it meself steeljack, ya have to apply fer residencia to be classed as far as i know.

garinda · 20-03-2009, 00:41

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Originally Posted by garinda

The answer is yes, as is the same througout the E.E.C.

Although there are many cases of the offspring of illegal immigrants being granted citizenship of a country where they were born, and left in the care of legal relatives in the host country, whilst their parent/s were deported, it doesn't seem to be legally ratified, and is up to each member country of the E.E.C. to decide their citizenship.

Reading this makes the legal status of such children even more confused.

Birthright citizenship as nationality of convenience

Eric · 20-03-2009, 00:55

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Originally Posted by steeljack

In answer to your question , dont believe there is a common rule in the EU about nationality being automatic to your place of birth , Each EU country still applies its own rules , know for a fact that a children born to Turkish (non-citizen German) parents in Germany are classed as Turkish (no automatic German Passport) .
Also a child born in the US to Irish immigrant parents (green card holders, but not yet citizens) automatically gets a US passport but also qualifies for an Irish passport.

Like the old saying , Just because the cat has kittens in the oven , don't make them biscuits"

Interesting ... hadn't given it much thought; but it does make sense that each country sets its own rules ... but I did check it out with a legally inclined friend of mine, and, sure enough, any child born in Canada is Canadian. There seems to be some quibble tho' about dual citizenship ...

Like the saying by the way .... reminds me of that brilliant retort to one of Sarah Palin's blunders: "just because I can see the moon from my backyard etc."

steeljack · 20-03-2009, 05:05

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Originally Posted by garinda

Although there are many cases of the offspring of illegal immigrants being granted citizenship of a country where they were born, and left in the care of legal relatives in the host country, whilst their parent/s were deported, it doesn't seem to be legally ratified, and is up to each member country of the E.E.C. to decide their citizenship.

Reading this makes the legal status of such children even more confused.

Birthright citizenship as nationality of convenience

interesting reading , Thanks

Gordie · 22-03-2009, 14:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Oh its back Rindi

thought he'd seen the light and joined a monastery, but alas not

Here we go,the two flying hand bags are ganging up

Stumped · 22-03-2009, 18:42

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I think in Jack, the man of Straw's case, he's trying to keep all the balls in the air whilst juggling the problem of retaining his own place on the gravy train at the next G.E. Stumped

And now we hear that the post-office worker has been transferred on the basis of a petition instigated and compiled by the local muslims. When are the powers that be going to wake up to the fact that the sole objective of these people is to take over the UK by whatever means comes to hand. The sad fact is that the authorities just sit back on their well endowed haunches, wring their wretched hands and let it happen. Old Enoch will be watching from his cloud base and laughing his socks off.

mani · 22-03-2009, 22:23

a quick thought.

alot of brits have gone to places such as saudi and dubai to make ALOT of money. there's no denying alot of brits have got very very rich from workin in arab countries.

those arab countries flex their own laws, turn a blind eye just so that those brits can feel a lil more comfy. they allow alcohol to be consumed in public where normally it'd be hands chopped off. they give leeway and a certain flex to accomodate the foriegners.

should those brits do the whole when in rome too?

Margaret Pilkington · 22-03-2009, 22:40

I think the answer to that has to be 'yes'.
Though if the Brits wish to consume alcohol then it should be done discreetly in their own homes or compounds.

when they take these jobs they must surely be told of the cultural differences, and they should abide by them if they want to work in that country.

cashman · 22-03-2009, 22:53

i would say yeh mani, i blame those countries fer allowing it, the law should apply to everyone. simple as.

West Ender · 22-03-2009, 23:02

It's 25 years since I lived in Saudi Arabia but, I can assure you, there was no tolerance of any other religion or culture.

At Christmas I could buy cards to send to my friends and family at home but none of them said the word "Christmas" because it wasn't allowed. It was "Happy Holiday". A Lebanese catholic priest was expelled from the country, simply for saying mass for the Lebanese in Riyadh. He worked as an engineer by day.

I couldn't go out without my husband, couldn't drive a car, couldn't be seen with bare arms or legs. Alcohol was not tolerated except, I believe, in the Aramco site, which was an Arab/American oil company.

Oh yes, I think we should do as other countries do.