Nelson Mandela

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

The original inhabitants of the area known as the USA were Indians who were persecuted and slaughtered by the invading white men. The situation has been repeated many times all over the world, but you can't turn back the clock.

And, yes, the SA government has far from fulfilled its promises. It's still a step in the right direction away from the hateful apartheid regime and whatever the deficiencies of the present administration, I doubt that the majority would want to return to the previous system.

Goodness me, didn't they just deserve it? Going around defending their women from rape physical torture and starvation.

No wonder the Indians took scalps.

Watch the old western movies, the men's boots always had fancy frills around the top.
I bet the film stars nor the rest realised that tradition came from raping, killing then abusing the woman's privates by cutting away the fur and stretching it over the boots!

Also, when they did a population census in the late 18 hundreds a white man counted as one, a Negro counted as half, a Chinaman counted as a quarter and the Indians counted as zero.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Eric

Sounds a lot like Cameron ... Clegg ... our own Stephen Harper ... Obama ... Hollande ... I think it's time for "etc." Come to think of it, "A fit land for heroes" didn't turn out all that well either. Maybe some thought should be given to the alternatives to what Mandela did for South Africa ... "bloody mess" comes to mind. Kinda like the messes the European colonial powers left all over the continent. And before complaining too much about the state of South Africa, sorry enough though it is, look around the continent and see what has been achieved in the Congo, Mali, CAR, Libya (boat trip anyone) ... time for "etc" again. The "Arab Spring" has sprung right into winter, skipping summer and fall. And the collapse of the Soviet Union ... he EVIL EMPIRE ... has given us Putin, mmmm ... oh, and Chelski. In a world led by incompetents, moral midgets, clowns, lunatics, and outright crooks, Mandela was a stand out.

In our world of err? incompetents, moral midgets, clowns, lunatics, and outright crooks, Mandela was a stand out.
Can't disagree Eric
None of the above numpties allowed themselves I don't think to be filmed at a rally seemingly singing along with a song that has the words "Kill the Whites" chorusing several times.
Now I don't know, when it dates from, some febrile poster on here will undoubtedly advise me. Maybe it was made in the same studios as the Apollo moonlandings, looks convincing enough to me. I'll leave you and others to seek it out and decide for yourself.

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Originally Posted by DtheP47

In our world of err? incompetents, moral midgets, clowns, lunatics, and outright crooks, Mandela was a stand out.
Can't disagree Eric
None of the above numpties allowed themselves I don't think to be filmed at a rally seemingly singing along with a song that has the words "Kill the Whites" chorusing several times.
Now I don't know, when it dates from, some febrile poster on here will undoubtedly advise me. Maybe it was made in the same studios as the Apollo moonlandings, looks convincing enough to me. I'll leave you and others to seek it out and decide for yourself.

White mans superiority and you are never far apart.

The shame is you scorn the one real achievement made by 'white man', the moon landings!
So far none of the natives have been killed or exploited by the explorers.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Less

Goodness me, didn't they just deserve it? Going around defending their women from rape physical torture and starvation.

No wonder the Indians took scalps.

Watch the old western movies, the men's boots always had fancy frills around the top.
I bet the film stars nor the rest realised that tradition came from raping, killing then abusing the woman's privates by cutting away the fur and stretching it over the boots!

Also, when they did a population census in the late 18 hundreds a white man counted as one, a Negro counted as half, a Chinaman counted as a quarter and the Indians counted as zero.

Not like me to disagree with you Less I know but would it then have been called "muffing" or something similar?

Wiki tells us amongst other things about scalping:
Scalping was practiced by the ancient Scythians of Eurasia. Herodotus the Greek historian, wrote of the Scythians in 440 BC:

The Scythian soldier scrapes the scalp clean of flesh and softening it by rubbing between their hands, uses it thenceforth as a napkin. The Scyth is proud of these scalps and hangs them from his bridle rein; the greater the number of such napkins that a man can show, the more highly is he esteemed among them. Many make themselves cloaks by sewing a quantity of these scalps together.

I'll leave you and others to goggle/wiki the subject and make your own mind up.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Less

White mans superiority and you are never far apart.

The shame is you scorn the one real achievement made by 'white man', the moon landings!
So far none of the natives have been killed or exploited by the explorers.

The one real achievement made by the white man... you're having a giraffe Wizz, and don't give me the old guff about the "non stick frying pan "

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Originally Posted by DtheP47

The one real achievement made by the white man... you're having a giraffe Wizz, and don't give me the old guff about the "non stick frying pan "

Oh Dear, you had almost made it into positive points, but the last two posts prove that your intellect is just a touch threadbare.

If I was your School teacher I would write on the bottom of the page,

2 out of ten, can do a great deal better, see me after class.


But I'm not your Teacher so would you mind terribly if I just said, 'What a load of familiar manure'.

By the way Mick was nearly upset that you didn't turn up today, Though Cashy, (Ollie) asked why after 30 to 40 years, would you want to see him?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

I have been to RSA quite a few times visiting family, during and post apartheid.
If you talk to South Africans, both black & white, including ANC supporters, the majority will say that it is a worse place to live now. When I first went there the exchange rate was R5.3/£1, it fell drastically and now it is around 16 to the £. The ANC have failed to meet the promises they have continued to make, yes, many rich blacks but many more are dirt poor. Perhaps worst of all is that racialism is still rife - if you are Xhosa then you have a better chance, but if you are from a minority tribe then you are down the list, way down. The political parties are in the main supported on tribal lines.
It is no different to N.Ireland - ex-terrorists in the government.

For some strange reason, as I read this, Thatcher came to mind

How much freedom would folks in England give up in exchange for a stronger currency ... ? Oh, and trains that run on time; nearly forgot about that one

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Less

Oh Dear, you had almost made it into positive points, but the last two posts prove that your intellect is just a touch threadbare.

If I was your School teacher I would write on the bottom of the page,

2 out of ten, can do a great deal better, see me after class.


But I'm not your Teacher so would you mind terribly if I just said, 'What a load of familiar manure'.

By the way Mick was nearly upset that you didn't turn up today, Though Cashy, (Ollie) asked why after 30 to 40 years, would you want to see him?

One of the wierd ironies of the internet is that just as it can expand ones knowledge infinately, it frequently encourages an arrested adolescence.

In the words of the great man himself, " I will bow to your greater knowledge in this area"

I must try harder.

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Originally Posted by DtheP47

One of the wierd ironies of the internet is that just as it can expand ones knowledge infinately, it frequently encourages an arrested adolescence.

In the words of the great man himself, " I will bow to your greater knowledge in this area"

I must try harder.

Twice in 24 hours with the same quote? With an infinite web at your finger tips?

I was getting bored with your efforts before, now you act like a 78 with a crack in it.

Perhaps it's time you moved up a level?

Find yourself someone that might just be impressed with your attempts at being a superior being?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

The original inhabitants of the area known as the USA were Indians who were persecuted and slaughtered by the invading white men. The situation has been repeated many times all over the world, but you can't turn back the clock.

And, yes, the SA government has far from fulfilled its promises. It's still a step in the right direction away from the hateful apartheid regime and whatever the deficiencies of the present administration, I doubt that the majority would want to return to the previous system.

Maybe the Yanks did it right and the Dutch and whoever else should have slaughtered all the inhabitants of Africa

[Guinness]

On the odd occasion you show a valid argument worth a debate, when cornered you invariably revert to name calling

Originally Posted by DtheP47

some febrile poster on here will undoubtedly advise me.

And at the risk of thread wander, the following comment shows that you have a tedious lack of scientific acumen regarding the benefits gained from space exploration

Originally Posted by DtheP47

don't give me the old guff about the "non stick frying pan "

and, although I really hate to be pedantic, but because you post claiming to be erudite...

Originally Posted by DtheP47

One of the wierd ironies of the internet is that just as it can expand ones knowledge infinately

Pity that the ironic internet doesn't extend to spelling 'weird' and 'infinitely' correctly when trying to consolidate an argument. Either you are seriously uneducated or a quote thief?

Your views on Nelson Mandela are compromised

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Guinness

On the odd occasion you show a valid argument worth a debate, when cornered you invariably revert to name calling



And at the risk of thread wander, the following comment shows that you have a tedious lack of scientific acumen regarding the benefits gained from space exploration



and, although I really hate to be pedantic, but because you post claiming to be erudite...



Pity that the ironic internet doesn't extend to spelling 'weird' and 'infinitely' correctly when trying to consolidate an argument. Either you are seriously uneducated or a quote thief?

Your views on Nelson Mandela are compromised

Well in the words of the great man himself, " I will bow to your greater knowledge in this area"

[westendlass]

Just the name Eugene Terre Blanche alongside what he stood for is enough to bury apartheid forever. That Nelson Mandela stood up for the millions of his oppressed countrymen/women against people of his mentality shows what a strong and courageous human being he was. Whatever his past, he went on to be a great humanitarian. I think he'll be a great role model for millions of people for many years to come.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Neil

Maybe the Yanks did it right and the Dutch and whoever else should have slaughtered all the inhabitants of Africa

The Dutch (Boers) created a safe haven for the millions coloureds fleeing the tribal warfare endemic in their neighbouring countries. A county with a thriving economy and all that goes with that.
Since Mandela took over it has become a third world country Neil.
Hells teeth, the Sedibeng Brewery even brews Guinness

[Boeing Guy]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Since Mandela took over it has become a third world country Neil.

According to the UN there is no `third world` it was a phrase coined during the cold war, meaning a country not an ally of Nato (First World) or of the USSR (Second World).
The phrase used is delovoping country, however I cannot find South Africa on the United Nations list. Maybe you can provide a link to back up your claim?