new concession for terror bill.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Do you want this country to be safe? I for one don't think that these proposals are just thought up overnight but if you really believe they are I can't change your opinion. Personally I feel that the terrorists are just waiting to strike again and if these extra days can avoid another attack they are worth it. We will wait and see, hope you are right and I am wrong!!

Of course I want the country to be safe. If these extra days could avoid an attack, I'd support them. There has been no evidence what-so-ever to say that they will, so I simply cannot support it. If the government could give us a real reason, real evidence, I would welcome it. It appears its the government trying to scare monger and look tough when they're low in the polls. Unfortunately it appears it is working.

[mani]

i think its about time i *cough* joined a new gang

£48K did someone say?

damn. and they pay for repairs to ur house

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Oh, how I wish I was in prison, counting the walls in the room (6)

Cells with six walls are reserved for V.I.P.'s.

Ordinary suspects, and idiots, will be held in normal cells, with four walls, a ceiling, and a floor.

[cashman]

i am all for this 42 detention, as i already told cyfr last week, n if hes against it on principal, well theres a divide in politics for/against so i suggest put it to the people including immigrants who live here so long as they are here legally, my view remains there aint enough police specialists etc to investigate things especially when a terror threat is imminent, like much of any industry they are stretched, thats life, principal is all fine n dandy when yer young (had it meself) on CND marches etc, but as i matured i came to the conclusion,i was a well meaning dickhead, no doubt cyfr will do the same at some point.

[onlyme]

Andrew,

With the greatest respect, you are talking about people that are willing to die for their cause. I can see the interview now:

Interviewer: Right ok, so we need to you set of a bomb in the middle of the city, and kill as many people as possible, so a confined area would probably be best

Potential Suicide Bomber: Right, ok, i understand that

Interviewer: So the bomb will be strapped to your body, obviously you understand the downsides to this job role, dont you?

Potential suicide bomber: erm, that I'm going to die? Yes I understand that, its for the good of our cause, and I am willing to sacrifice my life

Interviewer: no, if you're caught beforehand, you may get imprisoned for 42 days without charge....but you may get 42k compensation

Potential SB: Your joking, nah I'm not up for that gaffer, I'm off, find yourself another martyr


Bet its happening all over the show as we speak

[jaysay]

Well to me the only thing that this thread has proved is that there are quite a lot of insomniacs on Accy Web

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Nobody would disagree with you here! The thing is this bill is for detaining people with NO evidence! If there was evidence they could just charge them.

Go on, do a poll, we know you like 'em.


See how many of us support the move to increase the time someone can be detained without charge, from four to six weeks, and those who don't.


Then you'll know whether your Conservative party, or Gordon Brown has their finger on the nation's pulse regarding this issue.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cashman

i am all for this 42 detention, as i already told cyfr last week, n if hes against it on principal, well theres a divide in politics for/against so i suggest put it to the people including immigrants who live here so long as they are here legally, my view remains there aint enough police specialists etc to investigate things especially when a terror threat is imminent, like much of any industry they are stretched, thats life, principal is all fine n dandy when yer young (had it meself) on CND marches etc, but as i matured i came to the conclusion,i was a well meaning dickhead, no doubt cyfr will do the same at some point.

I would really appreciate if you wouldn't try and play the age card as if it matters. There are many who disagree with 42 days, and they're older than me, if that gives any more legitimacy. The CPS themselves say they do not need 42 days. It is not solely about principle, it is about if 42 days is actually needed, and all the evidence points to a big fat NO.

I would be fully for this if the evidence was there. Without it being necessary it is counter productive and will create anger. Obviously murder is an emotive subject, but lets look at this as a whole. If the CPS themselves do not need the legislation to do their job, then why is it being implemented? Why 42 days? This is a random number, picked, to make the Government look tough. So they can come and say 'We're defending you from those evil murderer terrorists' to scare people into agreeing with them. When in reality, there is no necessity for it at all. Playing politics with liberty.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Go on, do a poll, we know you like 'em.


See how many of us support the move to increase the time someone can be detained without charge, from four to six weeks, and those who don't.


Then you'll know whether your Conservative party, or Gordon Brown has their finger on the nation's pulse regarding this issue.

Not really sure why you're suggesting a poll, if you want one, go ahead.

The likely hood is that people will be with the Government, but that's why they're doing it, because scare mongering works, even when there is no justification for it other than to LOOK tough.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Playing politics with liberty.

But that same liberty can be taken away quite legitimately for four weeks?

But six weeks is wrong?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Not really sure why you're suggesting a poll, if you want one, go ahead.

The likely hood is that people will be with the Government, but that's why they're doing it, because scare mongering works, even when there is no justification for it other than to LOOK tough.

I think when it comes to U.K. citizens being maimed and killed by terrorists, people prefer tough.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

I think when it comes to U.K. citizens being maimed and killed by terrorists, people prefer tough.

You're talking like these 42 days would actually prevent people getting killed, when all the evidence says otherwise. If the argument was there that 42 days would help, I have no doubt every MP in the commons would agree, rather than a cross party disagreement as it is now. I suppose I'm just a kid who wants to actually look for evidence, or any argument at all, rather than having my views dictated by emotive scaremongering.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

I suppose I'm just a kid who wants to actually look for evidence, or any argument at all, rather than having my views dictated by emotive scare scaremongering.

Or just a member of a political party that cares more about scoring points, rather than accepting that this measure could save lives.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Or just a member of a political party that cares more about scoring points, rather than accepting that this measure could save lives.

Garinda I hope you're winding me up. Why should it be 4weeks and not 6? Because 4 has been used and 6 has NEVER been needed.

Scoring points? He'd be agreeing with Brown if he wanted to capitalise on this politically since the public probably agree with the government.

I thought this was only in America but no. It is a sad, sad state of affairs that the SCREAMING HEADLINES of how OUR NATION IS UNDER ATTACK, actually scare people into the arbitrary detention of citizens without any reasoning to do so at all. Without any need for more days, just doing it, to sound tough. Well you have fallen for it, hook line and sinker. I suppose you're for ID cards, and in fact a complete Big Brother State, because you know, if the government controlled everything we did, it would stop terrorism. So you'll be happy to support 1984 with your arguments. Great.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Garinda I hope you're winding me up. Why should it be 4weeks and not 6?

Not very successfully, judging by the amount of deaths, injury and heartache terrorism has inflicted on this nation in the past.