New role for bin men - Page 2

lettie · 16-01-2005, 22:23

I'm not sure if some of the Asda staff can use it, I would assume so, but I can check with Stuart our resuscitation trainer for East Lancs Trust. I know that there are emergency on call defib operators who can be there within a couple of minutes. Some of the GP's train for this role. The last time I enquired (about a year ago) Lancs had quite a good record for speed of attendance, but as Pendy said you cannot beat somebody who is trained properly in CPR. A defib will not resuscitate everyone, the heart has to be in a shockable rhythm. The typical flatline that you see on programmes such as ER will not shock (like it does on the telly,) only certain heart rhythm patterns will shock, and if yours isn't one of them and nobody knows CPR then it's hard luck.

fireman · 16-01-2005, 22:24

can you imagine the local dust cart with blues and twos jumping the lights in town to get to some poor ****** whose had a heart attack, they would probably cause several more.

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Originally Posted by Busman747

I wonder if the dust carts will have dual flashing lights? Yellow and blue ...and maybe "gofast" stripes down the sides?

fireman · 16-01-2005, 22:27

i agree totally lettie and lets face it a defib in the wrong hands can do more harm than good education and training are more important

Acrylic-bob · 17-01-2005, 08:33

This has to be a joke. I cannot believe that anyone in their right mind would ever considering letting Bin Men loose with something as potentially lethal as a defibrillator.

Having undergone a heart attack myself, which appears to be becoming something of a 'right of passage' for my age group, I would like to add my support to firemans suggestion that we organise ourselves to make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack. But that is a bit like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Any joined-up plan would have to have three aspects to it: Before, During and After and all of them depend in large part on EDUCATION and participation in Education.

Being cynical for a moment though, it does strike me that if we were sucessful HBC might hijack it, and claim it as another feature for their Hyndburn as a Tourist Destination thing.

fireman · 17-01-2005, 08:39

i'm sure we could scrape together enough volubteers to educate people like scouts guides army and air cadets and any youth clubs that might still be on the scene. and if hbc want any input maybe mr brits expenses could finance it.

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

This has to be a joke. I cannot believe that anyone in their right mind would ever considering letting Bin Men loose with something as potentially lethal as a defibrillator.

Having undergone a heart attack myself, which appears to be becoming something of a 'right of passage' for my age group, I would like to add my support to firemans suggestion that we organise ourselves to make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack. But that is a bit like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Any joined-up plan would have to have three aspects to it: Before, During and After and all of them depend in large part on EDUCATION and participation in Education.

Being cynical for a moment though, it does strike me that if we were sucessful HBC might hijack it, and claim it as another feature for their Hyndburn as a Tourist Destination thing.

Acrylic-bob · 17-01-2005, 08:54

This is something that is going to take a great deal of thought. If it were handled properly, it would encompass all and every aspect of life in the borough; homes, schools, workplaces and shops. The educational aspect would start at birth and continue throughout life. To make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack would mean that practically everyone in the borough would be involved in one way or another. To be successful it would require an organisational capability on a par with the War Effort. That is not to say that it is impossible, just that it is a rather big challenge.

fireman · 17-01-2005, 17:59

oh i know it would be an uphill struggle but could the benefits outweigh the input

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

This is something that is going to take a great deal of thought. If it were handled properly, it would encompass all and every aspect of life in the borough; homes, schools, workplaces and shops. The educational aspect would start at birth and continue throughout life. To make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack would mean that practically everyone in the borough would be involved in one way or another. To be successful it would require an organisational capability on a par with the War Effort. That is not to say that it is impossible, just that it is a rather big challenge.

removal-man · 17-01-2005, 18:22

milkmen would be a better bet.

removal-man · 17-01-2005, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

This is something that is going to take a great deal of thought. If it were handled properly, it would encompass all and every aspect of life in the borough; homes, schools, workplaces and shops. The educational aspect would start at birth and continue throughout life. To make Hyndburn the safest place to have a heart attack would mean that practically everyone in the borough would be involved in one way or another. To be successful it would require an organisational capability on a par with the War Effort. That is not to say that it is impossible, just that it is a rather big challenge.

not a chance.