NHS reforms..a mess? - Page 3

Acrylic-bob · 31-01-2012, 17:19

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

PFI? How else is a government expected to find the money for new hospitals when most people would rather have a nice holiday or buy a new car instead of stumping up a bit more tax.

Why should we always have to pay more tax?

How about Government living within its means for a change! How about it doing what it says on the tin, instead of pursuing political flights of fancy, Stroking their own ego's and funding the workshy?

When are people going to wake up and see what is happening to the country?

garinda · 31-01-2012, 17:28

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

To those of you who believe the NHS is a mess and a Joke...... Try this.
Go to Africa, not deep, Morocco will do, get ill as I did, I slipped a disc in my back and then see if you complain....
For information, I was carried down 10 flights of stairs, all the time in acute agony with by back, put into a old mercedes estate/ambulance and driven to a clinic for a scan. The scanner was brand new but we were in a shed, then back in the car to a private clinic, after 3 hours of the most intense pain I have ever experienced, i was finally given a shot of pain killer.
Two days later and over £1800.00 I was released, I still was not right.

Compared to one of our cabin crew who did a similar thing on the way back from Turkey last month. When we arrived we had a ambulance meet us, with in 10 mins she was out of pain, taken straight to hospital, 4 days later went home and is seeing a consultant and physio. Cost £0.00

We do not know we are born in the UK, I have spent many years abroad and even today carry a spare sharps and medical giving kit in my case, you never know.
The NHS is bloated with too many managers, just like most of our governmental departments, but it is far better than the alternative.

Here's another profession, who think they always know best, pilots.

Despite all the studying and examinations, every fool knows they don't always know best, and really the plane would be in much safer hands, if control of the cockpit was handed over to Betty from Barnsley....just as soon as she's sobered up.

If someone's still unhappy with the NHS, after following the correct procedues that are in place, perhaps they should post all the relevant details here.

We can then all decide if their moaning is justified, and that indeed, they do have a withered leg to stand on.

Less · 31-01-2012, 17:31

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

PFI? How else is a government expected to find the money for new hospitals when most people would rather have a nice holiday or buy a new car instead of stumping up a bit more tax.

Of course they would, (what a no brainer),
If they have earned their money and paid their fair share of taxes why should they do without what they can afford just because the beurocrats are useless at using the taxes correctly?

garinda · 31-01-2012, 17:39

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Why should we always have to pay more tax?

How about Government living within its means for a change! How about it doing what it says on the tin, instead of pursuing political flights of fancy, Stroking their own ego's and funding the workshy?

When are people going to wake up and see what is happening to the country?

Don't pay him any attention.

Uncle Joe's Sticky Mint Ball is probably one of those fools who live by always paying exorbitant credit charges, if he thinks PFIs are a wise move on the government's part.

Live like a king for a day.

Don't worry about not having a pot to pee in, tomorrow.

It takes all sorts.

Though I fear some of those sorts should really be kept in a secured ward somewhere, for their own safety.

Boeing Guy · 31-01-2012, 17:41

Nah we got rid of the secure hospitals, care in the community.

I wonder if my passengers would like to let me know what decent speed we should use? 290kts or 320 kts!

Less · 31-01-2012, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

I wonder if my passengers would like to let me know what decent speed we should use? 290kts or 320 kts!

Anything over 30 M.P.H. will suck the air out of your lungs, espescially if you fly with the window open.

Acrylic-bob · 31-01-2012, 18:21

Where is the little man with the red flag to walk in front when you need him? This country is going to the dogs.

garinda · 31-01-2012, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Nah we got rid of the secure hospitals, care in the community.

I wonder if my passengers would like to let me know what decent speed we should use? 290kts or 320 kts!

There he goes again.

Showing off.

Thinking he knows best, just as doctors do.

As I always say, when it comes to actually living with Parkinson's, I'm the expert.

However, when it comes to deciding the finely balanced treatment I receive, that mean's I'm able to function as best I can, I'll leave that to my neurologist.

Who seems more than qualified to decide what's best for me, after consulting me, and my opinion.

garinda · 31-01-2012, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Where is the little man with the red flag

I heard he'd moved, to somewhere in London.

Westminster, I think.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-01-2012, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Margaret, is that an actual charge? If so do you know any others?
I was going to say 'I don't believe it' but I can.What a scandal!
Mind you if HBC can cost mending an allotment tap at £500 it seems quite reasonable.

Yes, it is an actual charge. It was in one of the online newspapers that I read either last week or the week before. It was used as an example of how the PFI is robbing hospitals of money that should be being used for patient care.

It went on to say that providers of the PFI can charge pretty much what they want and the hospital cannot shop around for cheaper services because this was part of the PFI deal

Less · 31-01-2012, 18:33

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Originally Posted by garinda

I heard he'd moved, to somewhere in London.

Westminster, I think.

All together now,

'We'll keep the red flag flying here'.

When it comes to a sing song, you can't beat the classics.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-01-2012, 18:39

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

PFI? How else is a government expected to find the money for new hospitals when most people would rather have a nice holiday or buy a new car instead of stumping up a bit more tax.

PFI was used as a political tool. It made it look like the benificent governments were giving these facilities to the communities(I think that some schools were also built using PFI).
It was certainly never made clear to these communities the true cost of having these brand new facilities.

I know this to be true because when the new shiny RBH was in its planning stage I asked how it was to be funded.
I was horrified when I found out.......and asked why anyone in their right mind would take on a mortgage that they didn't know how much it would cost in interest...or how long that mortgage would run for....and to hear that the PFI provider could(and would) run vital services at inflated costs filled me with disgust. I was told that it was political and to keep my mouth shut.

The government levy taxes from the population in all ways...those levied for road fund licence for instance, never find their way to being spent on the roads.

There are other ways to raise money to build hospitals and schools....or medical equipment for that matter.

I have done my fair share of fund raising for the MRI Scanner which was housed at BRI and my own unit did much work in raising funds for a baby scanner too.
If you can't buy something then you make do with what you have got until you can afford it....you do not go into hock and keep yourself in hock for generations to come.
It is called living within your means.....but governments know very little about that concept.
Pensioners could teach them a thing or two ...if only they would listen.

Acrylic-bob · 31-01-2012, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Less

When it comes to a sing song, you can't beat the classics.

Yes you can. I always find a cricket bat studded with six inch nails to be most effective.

garinda · 31-01-2012, 18:41

Improved hospital environment - but at what cost?

'How many people does it take to fit an air freshener in a Cumbrian hospital?

Sadly the answer to that question isn’t known. But what is clear, is that the trust which runs the Cumberland Infirmary in Carlisle and Whitehaven’s West Cumberland Hospital shelled out £75 to have one installed.

Other maintenance costs between 2008 and 2011 include -
£100 to move a leaflet rack,
£466 to replace a light fitting,
£450 to install a smoke alarm in a stationary cupboard,
£106.50 to change taps on a wash basin.

“So often the contracts of PFI have been poorly negotiated. We end up with a system where it does cost hundreds of pounds to change a light bulb.”

Heralded as a flagship hospital, the Cumberland Infirmary building off Newtown Road was opened by the then Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

It made NHS history in April 2000 as the first in a group of 16 new hospitals paid for and owned by a PFI consortium.'

News & Star | News | News Focus | Cumberland Infirmary delivers an improved hospital environment - but at what cost?

jaysay · 31-01-2012, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Less

All together now,

'We'll keep the red flag flying here'.

When it comes to a sing song, you can't beat the classics.

I like the new verse that our Graham added as soon as he got to the big city, The working class can kiss my ass I've got the bosses job at last