Nigel Evans

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

One explanation I have read about the forehead wound, is that it could have been sustained in a ritual enactment of 'Hiram Abiff '.

I had to google - and found this very amusing re-enactment of a grand master masonic ritual.

Note that the mason gets struck on the head during it.

Even if it isn't true it is worth learning what these 'boys in pinnies' get up to

That of course is on the assumption that the video you have posted is true also Margaret R

[cashman]

Well i just don't buy it, knowing a couple of masons n knowing they aint that stupid., but i will make enquiries.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

That of course is on the assumption that the video you have posted is true also Margaret R

After I found and posted that I did more googling and found lots more mason rituals detailed, and numerous references to that one. Some are amusingly gauche, some are alarmingly sinister.

They are all supposed to be kept secret, but such bizarre practices are bound to leak out over time from ex-masons, and from the masons own publications landing in hands of non masons.

The subject matter is vast, and rituals are derived from old testament and knights templar history.

In these days of worldwide communication it is more difficult for anything to remain secret.

To me they will remain as 'boys in pinnies who like playing secret games'. What is unsettling is the influence they have in our society because many of them are high ranking and control much of what happens to the rest of us.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by cashman

Well i just don't buy it, knowing a couple of masons n knowing they aint that stupid., but i will make enquiries.

Amongst my research I learned that lower rank masons are 'kept in the dark' by those of higher rank.

The 'heavy stuff' is only for above grandmaster (3rd degree) rank.*
They are bound by oath to deny you any info - so don't expect to learn anything from any mason who still attends a lodge (or from most ex members who know that they can be intimidated still)

*PS http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/masonic_degrees.html

[cashman]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Amongst my research I learned that lower rank masons are 'kept in the dark' by those of higher rank.

The 'heavy stuff' is only for above grandmaster (3rd degree) rank.*
They are bound by oath to deny you any info - so don't expect to learn anything from any mason who still attends a lodge (or from most ex members who know that they can be intimidated still)

Oh i'm well aware they aint gonna tell me owt, Also well aware if someone i have known all me life is telling porkies. Its what people don't say in many cases.

[MargaretR]

The official version of the head wound is - 'accidental damage during reiki massage' - balderdash.

Reiki practitioners treat the 'auric field' which involves hands hovering above the body and sometimes hand placement - ie. not anything vigorous enough to cause that injury.

He may have had some sort of massage, not reiki

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Amongst my research I learned that lower rank masons are 'kept in the dark' by those of higher rank.

The 'heavy stuff' is only for above grandmaster (3rd degree) rank.*
They are bound by oath to deny you any info - so don't expect to learn anything from any mason who still attends a lodge (or from most ex members who know that they can be intimidated still)

*PS The orders and degrees of the masonic family

To me this is only relevant if you do give a damn, I don't ho hum

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

The official version of the head wound is - 'accidental damage during reiki massage' - balderdash.

Reiki practitioners treat the 'auric field' which involves hands hovering above the body and sometimes hand placement - ie. not anything vigorous enough to cause that injury.

He may have had some sort of massage, not reiki

Margaret unusual for you I know but you are way off beam....it's common knowledge in Pendleton that Nigel was celebrating Ashura and had been "hitting Haidar"

[MargaretR]

Buddhists don't hit lions - silly boy - go change your pinny

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Buddhists don't hit lions - silly boy - go change your pinny

Once a year, on Ashura, the streets of the southern Lebanese town of Nabatieh fill with the sour, rusty smell of blood mixed with grilled meat and oranges, as thousands of people dressed in black make their way to the central square to mourn.
Ashura, the tenth day the mourning period for slain Imam Hussein, grandson of the Prophet Mohammad, is a the festival of blood in Nabatieh, one of the few places in the world where the Shia men and children shave their heads, cut their foreheads and let their blood flow for the imam.
In the sea of men dressed in white who have been cutting themselves every year since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, when the Shia gained the right to practice their rituals, a few young women with bleeding foreheads stand out.
“Let’s go hit Haidar,” say the young men in white capes. They stand in contrast to the other attendees who wear black to mourn but who do not perform the bloody ritual. “Hitting Haidar” is the popular name of the bloodletting ritual in which the young men cut the skin on their foreheads and hit it with swords to make it bleed more while chanting “Haidar! Haidar!”—which means lion in old Arabic, one of the nicknames of Imam Ali, the prophet’s son-in-law and cousin, and Imam Hussein’s father.
Groups of 10 to 20 men and young boys covered in blood do their short Ashura round, circling the town’s market, while professional actors hired by the municipality get ready to reenact the imam’s slaying in the Battle of Karbala in the 7th century. Most women, dressed in black, stand on the side of the streets and turn their heads with horror at the sight of so much blood. But for the young men and children who take part in the bloodletting, the ritual is an honor.
“I am doing it for Imam Hussein for his sacrifice. It is my sacrifice for him, I’m doing this since I was six,” 12-year-old Ali, who just finished his round, tells NOW Lebanon as he rushes giggling toward the Red Cross tent to wait in line to get stitched.

[cashman]

Yeh but they won't do that oer here, would ruin the Kebabs.

[MargaretR]

Interesting - didn't know Ashura also had Islamic or hindu connections.
I don't know if he 'does' any religion, but that sounds possible but less likely than the masonic theory.

From Wiki -"The Buddhist asuras are broadly derived, in general character, from the wicked asuras of Hinduism, but have acquired some very distinctive myths which are only found in Buddhist texts."

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh but they won't do that oer here, would ruin the Kebabs.

Rusty smell of blood, grilled meat and oranges Mr C.... just across from the Broadway

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Interesting - didn't know Ashura also had Islamic or hindu connections.
I don't know if he 'does' any religion, but that sounds possible but less likely than the masonic theory.

From Wiki -"The Buddhist asuras are broadly derived, in general character, from the wicked asuras of Hinduism, but have acquired some very distinctive myths which are only found in Buddhist texts."

He often goes to Chapel when he goes home to Wales

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

Well i just don't buy it, knowing a couple of masons n knowing they aint that stupid., but i will make enquiries.

You can always ask me ... I've been a Mason for about 30 years.