Nigel Farage - Page 3

Eric · 24-09-2012, 14:30

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Originally Posted by gynn

UKIP is a one issue protest party. The question they don´t like to answer is:

"Okay, we are out of Europe. What then?"

They have to fudge this question because they don´t want to alienate the left or the right.

They are a useful vehicle for expressing the view that the UK should get out of Europe, but if that is ever achieved, it will be Labour and Conservatives who will seize the power.

From what I can see, the UKIP is more than a single issue party. They have polices on small business development, pensions, taxes, fishing rights, etc. And the question that voters should ask is: "Can they do a worse job than is already being done"? The Conservative focus on "cuts, cuts, cuts", even at the expense of job creation, seems to be just as much of a single issue.

If I may be allowed to bring in an example from Canadian politics ... well, allowed or not, I'm going to do it

... let's look at the francophone parties from la belle province de Quebec. The Bloc Quebecois, until their defeat in the last Federal election was an active part of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. The recently elected Parti Quebecois in Quebec is a seperatiste party governing a Province the majority of whose voters don't want an independent Quebec ... I believe only about 30% of Quebecois want a referendum on independence. They were elected not on the single issue of leaving Canada, but because voters believed that they were better equipped to deal with the problems facing Quebec.

Oh, by the way, it looks like co-operation between out two countries is about to reach a new level:

Canada, U.K. to cut costs by sharing embassies abroad - Politics - CBC News

I know it's a bit of a wander; but, it is also a reminder that your true friends are on this side of the Atlantic, not in Brussels.

cmonstanley · 24-09-2012, 19:35

well i dont get them now,they were alright till i read their tax policies.

Boeing Guy · 24-09-2012, 21:20

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

well i dont get them now,they were alright till i read their tax policies.

UKIP tax policy.
UKIP TAX POLICY

Monday, 5th December 2011

UKIP believes in merging income tax and national insurance into a flat rate income tax to greatly simplify our tax code, which currently stands at over 11,000 pages.

At the last election we opted to merge 20% basic income tax with 11% national insurance to create a 31% flat tax on all earned incomes over £11,500. As a tax cut for all, with a higher threshold, it would also take the poorest paid out of income tax altogether.

It would also mean abolishing the existing 40% and 50% income tax brackets, the latter actually costing the economy rather than taking in revenue.

For employers, UKIP aims to abolish employers’ national insurance across a parliament to end the tax on jobs. This will undoubtedly boost employment and simplify the process of employing people.

Back to UKIP Policies

Personally it is simple, easy to apply and above all FAIR as everybody shares the burden equally. They will never get in as the Socialists, reds etc amongst us would never go for it, after all FAIR means tax the rich, no matter how hard they have worked for it...

cmonstanley · 24-09-2012, 22:11

so somebody on 10,000 a year pays the same as somebody on 10 million

we will be up the creak right or wrong the uk couldnt sustain it.it sounds a bit like alex salmond a fantasist

gynn · 25-09-2012, 06:00

So UKIP want to reduce taxes all round and abolish Employers National Insurance.

Have they said how much this will reduce tax revenues, and which corresponding expenditure will be reduced to allow for it? What? Oh the EU subsidy we give!

But have they looked at the get out clauses in all the thousands of agreements we've signed as EU members, and put a cost on those get out clauses?

And have they said how we are going to pay for those get out costs? Can't be from the public purse, because they've reduced taxes.

So more borrowing perhaps?

Why do their manifesto proposals bring to mind the back of a fag packet?

Boeing Guy · 25-09-2012, 07:23

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so somebody on 10,000 a year pays the same as somebody on 10 million

we will be up the creak right or wrong the uk couldnt sustain it.it sounds a bit like alex salmond a fantasist

So what you are saying is this, some one on £ 10,000 pa pays £3,100,000.
No that's not FAIR.

What would happen is this, the Tax burden is shared equally by all.
If you earn £10,000pa you would pay nothing.
In perspective if you earn £21000 pa you tax would be, £2945
Where at the moment you will pay £4186.4
Very socialist......

Houseboy · 25-09-2012, 13:45

Never seen this before. Absolutely brilliant!!! I have actually voted UKIP at the last two elections because I couldn't bring myself to vote Labour (and there are no other options to me) but I do believe passionately in using my vote.
I was a member of a (small) Labour group that campaigned for non-membership of the then common market in the seventies and I have to say that, because of my intense dislike of all things Europe (politically not culturally), I have never voted in the European elections out of principal (I won't play the game).
I know that UKIP will never gain power (bit of a single item party really) but I do agree with their principals. I'm not a little Englander by the way, I just don't want to be lead by a bunch of undemocratic, fraudulent, unelected bureaucrats receiving fat wages for doing nothing other than trying to control the way others live. The whole European edifice needs to be brought to it's knees and these power seekers should be shown the door.
I agree with everything Farange said, by the way.

Wynonie Harris · 25-09-2012, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

I'm not a little Englander by the way, I just don't want to be lead by a bunch of undemocratic, fraudulent, unelected bureaucrats receiving fat wages for doing nothing other than trying to control the way others live. The whole European edifice needs to be brought to it's knees and these power seekers should be shown the door.
I agree with everything Farange said, by the way.

Couldn't have put it better meself! Well said, HB!

Neil · 25-09-2012, 20:52

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so somebody on 10,000 a year pays the same as somebody on 10 million

......

Of course they would not pay the same, do you not understand how percentages work?

ignoring any tax free bit

31% of £10,000 = £3,100
31% of £10,000,000 = £3,100,000

Does that look like the same to you?

cmonstanley · 25-09-2012, 22:16

BBC News - MEP struggles with tax policy questions so whats his answer on tax ??

cmonstanley · 25-09-2012, 22:19

they believe in grammar schools

but one plus point dismantle windfarms

cashman · 25-09-2012, 22:28

I just cannot believe yeh Cmon, Most people i would think do not give a toss about U.K.I.P.s policys, But see em as nothing more than a vehicle to make the major players move on Europe, But yeh don't seem to grasp it at all.

Wynonie Harris · 25-09-2012, 22:32

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

they believe in grammar schools

but one plus point dismantle windfarms

Tax...grammar schools...wind farms...who cares? Nobody expects 'em to get into power. They're a "stalking horse" party, useful for mobilising a big protest vote to put the wind up the big two over the issue of Europe.

jaysay · 26-09-2012, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Couldn't have put it better meself! Well said, HB!

Got to say that I agree too Wyn

jaysay · 26-09-2012, 08:55

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Tax...grammar schools...wind farms...who cares? Nobody expects 'em to get into power. They're a "stalking horse" party, useful for mobilising a big protest vote to put the wind up the big two over the issue of Europe.

Shushhhhh Wyn just let him get back to bed and sleep it off