No respect - Page 2

emzy · 11-02-2008, 20:08

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There do not appear to be any boundaries that these feral teens and children will not cross.......children have to have boundaries set for them.....who will do this if their parents don't do it?
All children will try to test boundaries, but today there just don't seem to be any boundaries.

Respect is not something that you can add onto a childs education......it has to be taught from babyhood....and really the people who most influence a child are its parents.

I was in town recently when a young woman in charge of a child of roughly 2 years of age, (who hadn't got hold of the childs hand) shouted at the child 'Are you F*****G stupid' when the child strayed into the path of a car on the car park......now that wasn't respect for the child,(after all it really wasn't the childs fault) and the child is going to grow up thinking that this is behaviour that is acceptable.

No parenting skills= no discipline= no respect = anarchy.

Must admit I agree, in the school yard recently i overheard a mother call her child a little b***h because she was playing up, very tempted to open my mouth but didnt.

polly · 11-02-2008, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There do not appear to be any boundaries that these feral teens and children will not cross.......children have to have boundaries set for them.....who will do this if their parents don't do it?
All children will try to test boundaries, but today there just don't seem to be any boundaries.

Respect is not something that you can add onto a childs education......it has to be taught from babyhood....and really the people who most influence a child are its parents.

I was in town recently when a young woman in charge of a child of roughly 2 years of age, (who hadn't got hold of the childs hand) shouted at the child 'Are you F*****G stupid' when the child strayed into the path of a car on the car park......now that wasn't respect for the child,(after all it really wasn't the childs fault) and the child is going to grow up thinking that this is behaviour that is acceptable.

No parenting skills= no discipline= no respect = anarchy.

Abd this I think, strikes to the vary root of the problem. Of course children do not have respect if they are not shown any.

This is the reason why so many children arrave, at five years old, at school completely out of control.l
This also the reason those three thugs kicked a guy to death for daring to tell them off for damaging his car!

Parents have to accept the blame and if they do not they must be made to do so.

cashman · 11-02-2008, 20:17

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Kids have no respect for any authority whatsoever, be it parents, teachers or police, now this is the society we are left with and its getting worse and will not get any better until we instill discipline like we had back in the sixties, and get rid of all the dogooders

agree,but would question,what Authority?

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:19

Cashy, I would have to say the authority of any adult, but primarily it has to be parents......if the parents exert no authority then the child/teen will not respect any authority.

cashman · 11-02-2008, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy, I would have to say the authority of any adult, but primarily it has to be parents......if the parents exert no authority then the child/teen will not respect any authority.

parents obviously aint got any, if an earlier post is owt to go off, eg,clip me round the ear n i'll call social services, how the hell can a parent show authority to brats like that?

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:26

By starting to lay boundaries before this can happen.....i.e. while they are still toddlers.
It is never too early to let children know who is in charge.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:31

Parents should also back teachers who are prepared to ensure firm disciplinary rules are upheld......not threaten to sue them for perceived 'trauma' to their psyche.

The real trauma to a childs psyche is when the mother or father calls them 'effing stupid'......but of course that doesn't count, because in their way, that is their version of discipline....shouting obscenities.

cashman · 11-02-2008, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

By starting to lay boundaries before this can happen.....i.e. while they are still toddlers.
It is never too early to let children know who is in charge.

agree margaret, but once they get to school,peer pressure can kick in, n it would take a very gutsy kid,not to give in to it. thing is for whatever reason,its a differant world to the one we were brought up in.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:37

Yes, you are right, but is there not a quotation that goes something along the lines that if you traina child to the way it should go, then it won't deviate from that way.......also if more parents had the guts to say NO to their children and mean it, then perhaps we would get somewhere.

I think it is a small proportion of feral youngsters, that give lots of good children a bad name.........and we reward these feral youngsters with trips away.....Ipods and such.......to my way of thinking this is not the way forward.......they should get nothing and the children who do well should be the ones who are rewarded.
Perhaps my thinking is very old fashioned.

lancsdave · 11-02-2008, 20:37

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Originally Posted by cashman

agree margaret, but once they get to school,peer pressure can kick in, n it would take a very gutsy kid,not to give in to it. thing is for whatever reason,its a differant world to the one we were brought up in.

It's when the peer pressure kicks in that even the good parents can be desparate for help, then the system fails pathetically because there is no help.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:39

We should be looking at why the system fails, and then address those failures......it is too easy to shrug your shoulders and say there is nothing that can be done.

Bonnyboy · 11-02-2008, 20:41

I agree that examples need to be set by adults along with boundaries and as stated kids will always push those boundaries to the limits. The point here, for me, is that what the hell are we allowed to do as a society, when the limit/boundary has been crossed. Be that parents, teachers or police. We can draw as many lines in the sand as we want but at some point there has to be a meaningful deterrent put in place when that line is crossed. At the moment I see none. If that deterrent causes a child/teenager some anguish or pain then so be it.