No respect - Page 3

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

I agree that examples need to be set by adults along with boundaries and as stated kids will always push those boundaries to the limits. The point here, for me, is that what the hell are we allowed to do as a society, when the limit/boundary has been crossed. Be that parents, teachers or police. We can draw as many lines in the sand as we want but at some point there has to be a meaningful deterrent put in place when that line is crossed. At the moment I see none. If that deterrent causes a child/teenager some anguish or pain then so be it.

I think it is called 'Tough Love'.

shillelagh · 11-02-2008, 20:48

and who are the people who make them unenforceable laws, dogooders, etc?

They are my generation and older.......

Ok i started something didnt i with this.

lancsdave · 11-02-2008, 20:50

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

and who are the people who make them unenforceable laws, dogooders, etc?

They are my generation and older.......

Ok i started something didnt i with this.

OK I concede defeat, if you really insist we will blame you and Spug for the whole damn mess

Lilly · 11-02-2008, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Parents should also back teachers who are prepared to ensure firm disciplinary rules are upheld......not threaten to sue them for perceived 'trauma' to their psyche.

I totally agree with you, Margaret. It really annoys me when parents go marching in to school to demand a showdown with the teacher who has dared to discipline their child.

They should be backing the teacher up and working together as a team.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 20:53

Politicians are always talking about 'Basic Values' but they wouldn't know a basic value if it bit them on the nose.
Basic Values were when the local bobby would give you a clip round the earhole, then take you home and tell your parents.....and you would get another for bringing disgrace on the family.......there is no shame or disgrace in any bad behaviour today......instead youngsters see it as being almost laudable.

Basic Values were when you were given the cane at school and then went home and told your parents and you would get it again for being in need of punishment at school.

This was how we were treated as children, and far from causing us lasting damage, it taught us that whatever you do, there are consequences......if you don't want to pay the price then you kept out of trouble.

Maybe some children are badly behaved because they do not get enough attention......if you are in trouble all the time at least you have a couple of folk on your case....trouble is they are social workers with heads full of jolly robins.

shillelagh · 11-02-2008, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Basic Values were when you were given the cane at school and then went home and told your parents and you would get it again for being in need of punishment at school.

This was how we were treated as children, and far from causing us lasting damage, it taught us that whatever you do, there are consequences......if you don't want to pay the price then you kept out of trouble.

Can remember them days margaret - and it hurt as well!!!!

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 21:03

You are right Jen, but it was a deterrent, and it kept a lot of us(who could have gone bad ways) out of trouble.
These days there is nothing (official)to act as a brake on bad behaviour.
So I guess it is down to as many parents as possible to show their authority from the moment the baby is put in their arms.

shillelagh · 11-02-2008, 21:19

But thats what i was saying about our generation, we were brought up with them rules etc, and when they said i'd never hit my kids - like we were clipped round the earhole etc, i wont say no to my kids i'd discuss it with them why they cant etc.. Now we are reaping the rewards of saying no and not getting a clip round the ear

cashman · 11-02-2008, 21:22

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

But thats what i was saying about our generation, we were brought up with them rules etc, and when they said i'd never hit my kids - like we were clipped round the earhole etc, i wont say no to my kids i'd discuss it with them why they cant etc.. Now we are reaping the rewards of saying no and not getting a clip round the ear

but ya clip em round the lug hole n yer in a world of grief if they report ya to social services,that happened to my late mate.

actually had a policeman knock on his door.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 21:26

Well, I thought I was pretty abysmal at the parenting lark, but I did administer discipline....and i never ever threatened to do something unless I was prepared to carry out my threat. I laid down the rules, and we played by the rules.
It was hubby who was the soft one......my daughter always knew that what I said, went.
Yes she did test the rules, and she paid the price.
Now she is using the same firm discipline with her children.