No respect

shillelagh · 11-02-2008, 16:30

Rise in funeral processions under attack from stone-throwing thugs | the Daily Mail

Why throw stones at a funeral hearse? One day it could be you in the cars behind, your mum or dad in the hearse, would you like stones to be thrown at your mum or dad? One day it could be you that is in the hearse - would you like to have stones thrown at you?

This is sick. Its disgusting. Where is the respect nowadays. My mum & dad always said if you are walking down the street when a funeral passes stop and bow your head - show respect even though you may not know them.

Was i brought up the old way were you showed respect for your elders? You let them get on in front of you at the bus stop, opened doors and held them open until they went through, was polite saying please and thank you.

When spug was down we were talking one night and he said its our fault that teenagers are like they are today. We are the ones that have brought them up so we are the ones who have taught them not to have respect for their elders. We were brought up to have respect, a clip round the earhole if we didnt do what we were told, and its our kids in some cases grandkids who are the ones who are now running riot on the streets. He also said it was the 80's era that was the me me me generation and now we are paying for it.

AccyLass · 11-02-2008, 16:39

I'm 27 and was brought up to stop as a hearse went by
Although I do not expect my children to do this I do teach them to respect their elders with their please thankyou's and the no you 1st kind of behaviour, which is just common courtesy to anyone
As for the "clip round the ear" I have a friend that has a teenage son (mine are only young) he has on many occasion said, "if you touch me I am goin to social services!"
This is in response to his mother saying "Carry on lad n you gonna get a clip round the ear"
So I do believe that some parents do all they can with their children, but then they are your children and you should just carry on trying to do what is best

Madhatter · 11-02-2008, 16:41

He's right of course it's all your faults. I'm excused cos I have no children.
I've discussed this with spugs before, and it's commonly know as thatchers children. Self self self. I can do it , it's my right , so I will do and f u . No respect, no morals, and now it's passed on to their children and the damage is done. I don't see how we can re-educate these parents and their off spring now.

lancsdave · 11-02-2008, 16:54

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

Rise in funeral processions under attack from stone-throwing thugs | the Daily Mail

he said its our fault that teenagers are like they are today. We are the ones that have brought them up so we are the ones who have taught them not to have respect for their elders.

I think that could have been worded better Jen. Who is the 'we' you talk about ?

shillelagh · 11-02-2008, 17:00

spug!!!

You know i have no kids!!! We as in meaning the parents of the teenagers as in 30 and 40 year olds now who are the parents of teenagers. Ok i know that not all teenagers are the ones throwing stones, vandals etc but it is our generation that have brought these kids up. Spug also said another thing was that we (our generation) got the clip round the ear, got grounded etc so vowed not to bring our kids up that way - im never going to hit my kids etc.

lancsdave · 11-02-2008, 17:26

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

spug!!!

You know i have no kids!!! We as in meaning the parents of the teenagers as in 30 and 40 year olds now who are the parents of teenagers. Ok i know that not all teenagers are the ones throwing stones, vandals etc but it is our generation that have brought these kids up. Spug also said another thing was that we (our generation) got the clip round the ear, got grounded etc so vowed not to bring our kids up that way - im never going to hit my kids etc.

I didn't mean you personally when I asked who the 'we' are, I presume you mean society in general. However just like any group of people it's the bad ones who get the headlines, it sells papers

For every yob who walks the streets of Britain there are probably thousands of well behaved polite children. They won't get any recognition for that though and neither will the parents

West Ender · 11-02-2008, 17:46

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

I didn't mean you personally when I asked who the 'we' are, I presume you mean society in general. However just like any group of people it's the bad ones who get the headlines, it sells papers

For every yob who walks the streets of Britain there are probably thousands of well behaved polite children. They won't get any recognition for that though and neither will the parents

That is a very valid point. I think there are more of the wrong sort than there used to be and they do more obnoxious things, because they can, but there are still plenty of decent kids around, largely unnoticed because they behave properly.

panther · 11-02-2008, 18:00

Lack of parental control and respect is half the problem. The legal parent/guardian should be held liable in law for any crime committed by a minor.

jaysay · 11-02-2008, 18:06

Kids have no respect for any authority whatsoever, be it parents, teachers or police, now this is the society we are left with and its getting worse and will not get any better until we instill discipline like we had back in the sixties, and get rid of all the dogooders

lancsdave · 11-02-2008, 18:07

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Originally Posted by panther

Lack of parental control and respect is half the problem. The legal parent/guardian should be held liable in law for any crime committed by a minor.

Whilst agreeing to a certain extent, the legal system is an ass so I'm not sure that would work anyway. Why shouldn't teenagers think they can get away with it when they see the adults/parents taken to court and given an African Safari or World Cruise.

What would be better is if we stopped the media reporting the rubbish and starting to reward/publiscise the good kids

panther · 11-02-2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

What would be better is if we stopped the media reporting the rubbish and starting to reward/publiscise the good kids

good idea

panther · 11-02-2008, 18:17

Labour government under Tony Blair as brought us Abso's, Chavs and binge-drinking, disrespectful, immoral teens. I sometimes feel ashamed to be British!!

little bastards need a good hiding, and sent to boot camp!, if they know that WE the adults can slap the little ****s then there wont be half the trouble there is now, kids today only say 'you cant touch me i'll sue ya'
.....ya wanna bet??

Madhatter · 11-02-2008, 18:31

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

spug!!!

Spug also said another thing was that we (our generation) got the clip round the ear, got grounded etc so vowed not to bring our kids up that way - im never going to hit my kids etc.

I was going to mention that. Ex said she wouldn't ever hit her kids, which I thought strange and would never work, but she says it has and from what I could gather her kids seemed decent and well behaved. Do you think physical disipline is necessary to teach children right from wrong? If I had my own in the future I don't think I'd use it, I'd try other methods of punishment.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-02-2008, 18:38

There do not appear to be any boundaries that these feral teens and children will not cross.......children have to have boundaries set for them.....who will do this if their parents don't do it?
All children will try to test boundaries, but today there just don't seem to be any boundaries.

Respect is not something that you can add onto a childs education......it has to be taught from babyhood....and really the people who most influence a child are its parents.

I was in town recently when a young woman in charge of a child of roughly 2 years of age, (who hadn't got hold of the childs hand) shouted at the child 'Are you F*****G stupid' when the child strayed into the path of a car on the car park......now that wasn't respect for the child,(after all it really wasn't the childs fault) and the child is going to grow up thinking that this is behaviour that is acceptable.

No parenting skills= no discipline= no respect = anarchy.

panther · 11-02-2008, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

Do you think physical disipline is necessary to teach children right from wrong? If I had my own in the future I don't think I'd use it, I'd try other methods of punishment.

When i was a kid, if i did wrong i got a clout for it, no i wasnt beaten up, i got the slap that stung. I have never commited a crime, i dont get into trouble and i dont go out looking for trouble, i respect my folks and they did the best for me, to me they have done well at bringing me up, i dont tell people to F off or stick my fingers up and go around smashing things especially when i was a kid, because i knew it was wrong, so if you can fetch your kid up without giving them the odd slap, especially when they pull a trantrum, dont do as they are told etc....etc.....then good for you