no smoking in pubs.

nortype · 30-08-2009, 20:31

just got back from rhoden inn. I am a smoker. with my pint i love a cig. had to go in back yard. wet & windy. not very nice. a few joined me and all said the same why ? do we put up with it ? france.. italy... spain... stuck 2 fingers up at it why us ? have written to m.p. greg pope. his day's are numbered so no joy there.. take two pubs in ossy. black dog.. rose & crown... if rose put ashtrays on table's black dog would wonder where coustom had gone... figure it out.... spread nation wide 2 fingers to this government..... rant over. cheer's ray... please spread the word...

derekgas · 30-08-2009, 20:35

It only takes one pub to make a stand at the busiest time of the week, the others would soon follow, and it would be nationwide within a week, if they cant police the streets properly now, what chance would they have on weekend nights if all the pubs got the ashtrays out?

Neil · 30-08-2009, 20:38

The fine is big for the landlords and easy to prove. I don't think many would risk it.

nortype · 30-08-2009, 20:44

if it was nation wide they could & not fine everyone end of problem.. it work's abroad so why not her..??

derekgas · 30-08-2009, 20:48

That is because in this country, we do not stand shoulder to shoulder as our forefathers would have done, every man for himself!

shillelagh · 30-08-2009, 21:25

Might be because if they do break the ban on smoking he could lose his licence that means losing his livelihood ... then what would you do?

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spignific · 30-08-2009, 21:55

i am a smoker but ive turned more into being on non smokers side,i like a fag with a drink,i know at least 3 pubs that put ashtrays on tables once the doors are shut after 11.probally loads more do.railway has a great outside (covered as well).many other pubs also.so i can smoke at the door or whatever ,whats the problem that we have to bring smoking in pubs back ?!!

Gareth · 30-08-2009, 22:00

I for one, as a non smoker, love smoke free pubs. That being said, I would like to see the free market take care of it. If there was a choice of non smoking pubs, I would be there, but I don't think it should be up to the government to legislate them all to be non smoking. Everyone in the pub is over the age of 18 (or is supposed to be), so they are old enough to make a decision about where they want to go.

My recollection was it was an employee health and safety issue when it first happened, as bar staff didn't have a choice in being exposed to second hand smoke. I still think its better to let consumers decide what they want, rather than the government ramming it down their throat.

junetta · 30-08-2009, 22:10

The bar owners have a choice here in Tenerife. Which ever way they go they have to clearly display signs outside and inside the bar. Our village has almost forty bars and there is only one which doesn't allow smoking.

I agree that it's a nuisance for non-smokers in England but there should be an area inside to smoke in. I really hate being bullied!

Restless · 31-08-2009, 01:02

being a none smoker i think its a great thing... .but then again i dont frequent pubs that much either way hehehe

Boeing Guy · 31-08-2009, 08:32

Its simple really, the vast majority of Men and Women in the UK don't smoke. Around 22% of men and 20% of Women smoke.
Now that you are the Minority, you want to force your rule and lifestyle on me.
Okay but when the UK adopts Shiara Law what will you do then.

Smokers are in a minority, live with it. I am glad to see the smoking ban, there is nothing worse than having a meal and have some smoker light up near you. When I go out I do not wish to return smelling of a ashtray and needing a shower before I go to bed. and having to wash my clothes.

Society should be for the good of the many, not the good of the few.
Smokers are the few.

Less · 31-08-2009, 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless

being a none smoker i think its a great thing... .but then again i dont frequent pubs that much either way hehehe

Which is a good thing for you and other none smokers.

Unfortunately for those of us that do smoke and for pubs it is a disastrous thing, before the ban, yes, the pub was dominated by smokers. The ban was brought in with the promise to Landlords that as well as wonderful clean pubs they would get all the people that didn't like the smoky atmosphere suddenly taking the places left vacant by smokers that would now drink at home.

What happened? In came the ban a large majority of smokers started drinking at home and to replace them? Nothing, the pub trade has been decimated because they have lost their regulars and their trade, the result of which is many pubs stopped trading as the hardship bit in.
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We smokers were forced outside, if we are lucky a bit of a shed for shelter as the dedicated smoking area and then we have to suffer the irony of a very few non smokers coming into this area on sunny days complaining about the smell of smoke, well Doh! you have the whole of the inside of the pub leave us this one little area in peace.

Less · 31-08-2009, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Its simple really, the vast majority of Men and Women in the UK don't smoke. Around 22% of men and 20% of Women smoke.
Now that you are the Minority, you want to force your rule and lifestyle on me.
Okay but when the UK adopts Shiara Law what will you do then.

Smokers are in a minority, live with it. I am glad to see the smoking ban, there is nothing worse than having a meal and have some smoker light up near you. When I go out I do not wish to return smelling of a ashtray and needing a shower before I go to bed. and having to wash my clothes.

Society should be for the good of the many, not the good of the few.
Smokers are the few.

O.K. using statistics to put forward your claims eh?

Well how about this?

Quote:

In 2005, estimates suggest that 16 per cent of fatal accidents and 5 per cent of non-fatal
(i.e. serious and slight accidents) personal injury road accidents involved at least one
driver with illegal alcohol levels.

taken from:-
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...eaccidents.pdf

Therefore the 84% of fatal and 95% of non-fatal accidents are caused by sober drivers working with your logic of majority rule cause and effect should we leave the roads to those that drink and drive? Statistically they are safer.

flashy · 31-08-2009, 09:12

i'm a smoker and it doesnt bother me having to go to the door to have a fag when i'm out, i go to the door at home to have one anyway

Boeing Guy · 31-08-2009, 09:21

Less, is that the best you can do.
Following on from your thinking.....

55% of all Aircraft accidents are pilot error, so I better quit then and all aircraft should be flown by computers.

100% of Smokers and on Smokers die.
The fact is that smoking is in a MINORITY in the Uk. Live with it.