NON disabled drivers at Asda - Page 3

jambutty · 09-01-2008, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Sara

Just finished reading this on the LET web site:

Supermarket Targets Rogue Parkers (from Lancashire Telegraph)

Long overdue.

Roll on 10th March 2008.

davo69 · 09-01-2008, 21:17

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Long overdue.

Roll on 10th March 2008.

Time after time these people find that most of the bays have been taken by people who are capable of walking that little bit further. It is frustrating to see someone pull up in a car and then quite happily going into the shop when they have deprived a disabled shopper of a space." read bottom line. shopper not some disabled person sat there for the good of able bodied people

WillowTheWhisp · 09-01-2008, 21:32

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Originally Posted by jambutty

I see that you are still hogging the moral high ground with your holier than thou attitude whilst making snide remarks.

Yet do not have the moral fibre to address your facile remarks direct to the person.

If the cap fits............

Please note that I did not mention anyone by name intentionally. On your original thread on a similar subject to this I agreed with your point of view until the thread went off on a tangent to pursue the line that someone who has a disabled badge should be entitled to park in a disabled space even if driving there on behalf of someone else and remaining in the car whilst the other person went shopping. I still maintain that this is equally unacceptable and depriving a disabled person of a space they may need.

Why should it be wrong of me to reiterate that point?

Why do you condemn this as 'moral high ground' when the whole point of this and your previous thread is that disabled parking bays are there for use by disabled customers? I am merely agreeing with that point of view, your point of view. Why do you find this so objectionable?

jambutty · 10-01-2008, 14:14

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

If the cap fits............

Please note that I did not mention anyone by name intentionally. On your original thread on a similar subject to this I agreed with your point of view until the thread went off on a tangent to pursue the line that someone who has a disabled badge should be entitled to park in a disabled space even if driving there on behalf of someone else and remaining in the car whilst the other person went shopping. I still maintain that this is equally unacceptable and depriving a disabled person of a space they may need.

Why should it be wrong of me to reiterate that point?

Why do you condemn this as 'moral high ground' when the whole point of this and your previous thread is that disabled parking bays are there for use by disabled customers? I am merely agreeing with that point of view, your point of view. Why do you find this so objectionable?

Of course you didn’t, that’s what a snide remark is. Aimed at someone without specifying whom but knowing that the person that the remark is aimed it will pick up on it and think, “do they mean me?”

It’s the sort of behaviour you get in a school playground.

To address your other point – I never said “someone who has a disabled badge should be entitled to park in a disabled space even if driving there on behalf of someone else and remaining in the car whilst the other person went shopping”. What I stated was that I saw nothing wrong in a disabled driver or passenger using a disabled bay and having an able bodied person go into the shop to do the shopping for them because they cannot.

The Blue Badge entitles the owner to park in a disabled bay providing that the badge is displayed. Full stop. If when the disabled person parks up and then finds that getting out of the car is just too much of a problem there is nothing wrong in having an able bodied person going into the shop on their behalf.

My car is an automatic meaning that my left leg is redundant as far as driving is concerned. Fortunately it is my left leg that is the problem and once settled in my seat the pain subsides. Although I can just about manage the very short walk from my front door to my car, a trip round the supermarket is virtually out of the question on some occasions. Yes I know some smart Alec will come back with “why don’t I use one of their electric carts?” Have you tried reaching a higher shelf from one of those carts? The simplest and quickest solution is to take an able bodied person with me. That way I occupy the disabled bay for the least amount of time thus releasing it for the next person to use.

You may not agree with that but it is nowhere near as bad as an able bodied person just using the disabled bay on their own having ‘borrowed’ the Blue Badge. Or worse still using a disabled bay with the excuse, “I’ll only be a minute.”

If you are to champion the cause of disabled people then target the real culprits not the disabled who bend the rules slightly for their own convenience.

davo69 · 10-01-2008, 14:32

what a lot of crap why park in the bay .yes the rules may state that but it shows you have no regard for other disabled people you should use your badge to help yourself to get closer not some one who is not disabled you make a mock of the rules how you live with yourself i dont no

jackyalex · 10-01-2008, 16:47

Its the same with parent and toddler parking, just cause your a mum or a dad doesnt mean that you can park your car in that space, it means if you have your baby/toddler with you you can park there, and i hate those peeps that sit waiting for a parking space when there aint 1 or they aint even unloaded their trolly yet move out of the way and let other drivers pass you, you hold everyone up

WillowTheWhisp · 10-01-2008, 17:33

I understand perfectly your reasons for taking an able-bodied person to Asda to do your shopping for you whilst you remain in your car. That makes a great deal of sense. The part which does not make sense is why you park in a disabled bay. The person going into the store is able-bodied by your own admission and therefore perfectly capable of walking to the store from a non-disabled parking bay. You do not get out of your car and so you have no need of being close to the store.

You are therefore depriving a disabled person of a parking space which they may need and which you do not.

I simply cannot fathom why you are unable to see this.

You may interpret my reference to it as childish or 'snidey' if you wish but nevertheless I will still maintain my point of view that you, or anyone else, occupying a disabled bay which they do not need should not be doing so. It is also relevant to this thread and I see no reason why it should not be mentioned on this thread.

katex · 10-01-2008, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Sara

Just finished reading this on the LET web site:

Supermarket Targets Rogue Parkers (from Lancashire Telegraph)

Heard a little of this at lunchtime Sara and any fines are being donated to charity. Wondered how they were going to get this money,as anyone who is rude enough to park in these spaces is not going to pay up easily and suspect lots of these cases may go through the civil courts. Wonder if they will ask for the £ 30 if they pay up at once, like a parking ticket ?

jambutty · 10-01-2008, 18:45

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Originally Posted by davo69

what a lot of crap why park in the bay .yes the rules may state that but it shows you have no regard for other disabled people you should use your badge to help yourself to get closer not some one who is not disabled you make a mock of the rules how you live with yourself i dont no

The only crap is your inane ravings.

I am sat here and my left leg is not painful (well not too much), just numb and not fully under my control but I feel that I could get up and walk a little. It is only when I try that I find out the extent of the problem at that time. It is so easy to forget that movement means pain when you are not moving.

It’s the same when you have been ill and bedridden for a couple of weeks. One morning you wake up and feel great until you get up and keel over.

Taking an able bodied person with me is a back up in case I cannot walk when I get there. I have every intention of doing my own shopping but there are times when I know that MAY not be possible. And those times are not really predictable.

So what do you propose that I should do? Park away and not do my own shopping?

Until you get into such a situation keep your crass opinions to yourself.

derekgas · 10-01-2008, 18:55

Willow rocks!!

WillowTheWhisp · 10-01-2008, 18:58

If you're going to go into Asda yourself then of course you have every right to park in the disabled bay and go in, I don't think anyone has ever raised an objection to that. That's the whole point and purpose of those allocated parking bays. However, if once you get there you don't feel up to going into the store and make a decision that your able-bodied companion will go in for you then that's the point at which you park in an ordinary parking bay. It's quite simple.

MargaretR · 10-01-2008, 18:59

If some kindly friend or relative is willing to do your shopping, and you are content to let them pick the goods of the shelves on your behalf, why do you need to accompany them?

WillowTheWhisp · 10-01-2008, 19:01

Well he has said he might feel up to going in the store himself - a point he hadn't brought up before - so if he does then of course he should park in the disabled bay. Sometimes people just fancy having a look at what's on the shelves and maybe spot something they hadn't thought of buying. Busman does that all the time.

garinda · 10-01-2008, 19:01

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Originally Posted by jambutty

So what do you propose that I should do? Park away and not do my own shopping?

If you are well enough to get out of the car, and do your own shopping, fine, park in a disabled space.

If when you get there, you're not well enough to get out and shop, and your able bodied passenger is going to do it, then you should morally park in an ordinary space. Thus allowing someone who really needs it the opportunity to try and do their shopping, and live their life as easily, and as normally, as they can.

It's the selfish use of these badges which will mean they are eventually taken away from those that need them.

You may have the legal right to do what you do, but morally you are abusing the privilege of having a badge.

Shame on you.

garinda · 10-01-2008, 19:05

...and by the way, if you are disabled enough to qualify for a badge, you should be retested, to make sure your disablity doesn't make you a danger to other people. Something I have to do, but which I recall you haven't.

Again, not a legal requirement, just something I think should be applied to all drivers who qualify for a blue badge.