Now it's hug a druggie!

Lampman · 02-05-2007, 12:12

Just watched a news item wherin offenders in Drug related crimes are now given an informal talking to by a Judge and given a 'tough love hug';followed by daily drug tests.Trials in London show 40% of those thus trated do not reoffend this compares with higher reoffenders who receive custodial sentencing.
Oh and it's cheaper to keep the offender out of prison!

accymel · 02-05-2007, 12:16

Have they thoroughly tested this theory out or just another massage of figures & hope

Lampman · 02-05-2007, 12:40

The latter I bet!

WillowTheWhisp · 02-05-2007, 14:46

I'm not convinced. But then I'm just an old cynic.

cashman · 02-05-2007, 15:02

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I'm not convinced. But then I'm just an old cynic.

i,m even more of a cynic with crap like this, Strangle a druggie is more like it.

***Mr D*** · 02-05-2007, 15:03

IMO it all depends on the person in question if a Addict wants to give up/get help then the idea is good.

If they are tying the soft approach with the hardcore group then it another system that would be taken advantage of.

Most arnt put in jail now anyway as they are to full, tag seems to be the new jail.

Remedi · 02-05-2007, 19:26

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Originally Posted by cashman

i,m even more of a cynic with crap like this, Strangle a druggie is more like it.

So you are advocating murder are you, or are you trying to be amusing? I suspect that this is simply a comment borne of ignorance.
Drugs awareness training for people who have this attitude towards addicts should be compulsory perhaps we might then have better undertsanding, empathy and a unified desire to help people find a way out of the hell of drug dependency.
OR we could just 'strangle' them as you suggest- perhaps camps would be a good idea-then we could deal with the menatlly ill, physically disabled, offenders etc. etc.

grego · 02-05-2007, 19:48

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Originally Posted by Remedi

So you are advocating murder are you, or are you trying to be amusing? I suspect that this is simply a comment borne of ignorance.
Drugs awareness training for people who have this attitude towards addicts should be compulsory perhaps we might then have better undertsanding, empathy and a unified desire to help people find a way out of the hell of drug dependency.
OR we could just 'strangle' them as you suggest- perhaps camps would be a good idea-then we could deal with the menatlly ill, physically disabled, offenders etc. etc.

The drug addicts I've come into contact with via work, who were all receiving heroin substitute and supposedly wanted to give up, none of them actually managed it, most used to go straight to the public toilets were they had a buyer waiting then go and buy the real stuff. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but not many in my experience.

Remedi · 02-05-2007, 19:50

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Originally Posted by grego

The drug addicts I've come into contact with via work, who were all receiving heroin substitute and supposedly wanted to give up, none of them actually managed it, most used to go straight to the public toilets were they had a buyer waiting then go and buy the real stuff. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but not many in my experience.

So the answer is? Give up?, Stop trying?, Better access to decent detox programmes? Legalisation?

accymel · 02-05-2007, 19:55

I think you need to watch Jeremy Kyle & Tricha more Remedi, as was one on this morning had help in their area - had access to medical substitutes but still despite wrecking their families & losing kids they still hadn't the motivation to get it!!! Again symptomactic of a lazy blameless society & excuses

grego · 02-05-2007, 20:00

I dont know what the answer is Remedi, it would be great if all users wanted to give up and had the option of detox but we dont live in an ideal world. I dont think legalisation would solve the problem, though the users would then know exactly what they were taking and pushing drugs wouldn't be as lucrative therefore the dealers may dwindle.

Eric · 02-05-2007, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Remedi

So you are advocating murder are you, or are you trying to be amusing? I suspect that this is simply a comment borne of ignorance.
Drugs awareness training for people who have this attitude towards addicts should be compulsory perhaps we might then have better undertsanding, empathy and a unified desire to help people find a way out of the hell of drug dependency.
OR we could just 'strangle' them as you suggest- perhaps camps would be a good idea-then we could deal with the menatlly ill, physically disabled, offenders etc. etc.

I would say that to twist and torture the statement ... which seems only to express cynicism and deep seated disgust at the palliative measures of government .... into an accusation of "advocating murder" and a thinly veieled allusory accusation of Nazism is taking it much too far.

cashman · 02-05-2007, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Remedi

So you are advocating murder are you, or are you trying to be amusing? I suspect that this is simply a comment borne of ignorance.
Drugs awareness training for people who have this attitude towards addicts should be compulsory perhaps we might then have better undertsanding, empathy and a unified desire to help people find a way out of the hell of drug dependency.
OR we could just 'strangle' them as you suggest- perhaps camps would be a good idea-then we could deal with the menatlly ill, physically disabled, offenders etc. etc.

the comment was a cynical tongue in cheek remedi, after reading your comment i would be interested to know how many of these people YOU employ? seems to me society has gone down the pan today due to doogooders wearing tinted glasses.

Remedi · 02-05-2007, 21:42

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Originally Posted by cashman

the comment was a cynical tongue in cheek remedi, after reading your comment i would be interested to know how many of these people YOU employ? seems to me society has gone down the pan today due to doogooders wearing tinted glasses.

Always loved the term do-gooder- as a professional 'do gooder' myself I am quite proud of the title. At what point in history did doing good actually become a negative thing. Doesnt seem to make a lot of sense to me- if everyone in this country got up tommorrow morning and said 'do you know what I am actually do some good today'- that would be pretty cool to my way of thinking.
To answer your question ia m the Director of a charity woking with youth and adult offenders and the victims of their behaviour. I currently employ 35 staff with the further support of 40 volunteers. 6 of our staff team are ex-offenders (4 of whom had extensive drug and alcohol issues in the past) 12 of the staff team are ex- victims of crime. Our volunteer pool has 13 workers who are ex drug users. Hope this answers your question.
I particularly like your use of the term 'these people'- what do you mean, British citizens? or has the fact that they have problems make them lesser beings than your good self.

lancsdave · 02-05-2007, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Always loved the term do-gooder- as a professional 'do gooder' myself I am quite proud of the title. At what point in history did doing good actually become a negative thing. Doesnt seem to make a lot of sense to me- if everyone in this country got up tommorrow morning and said 'do you know what I am actually do some good today'- that would be pretty cool to my way of thinking.
To answer your question ia m the Director of a charity woking with youth and adult offenders and the victims of their behaviour. I currently employ 35 staff with the further support of 40 volunteers. 6 of our staff team are ex-offenders (4 of whom had extensive drug and alcohol issues in the past) 12 of the staff team are ex- victims of crime. Our volunteer pool has 13 workers who are ex drug users. Hope this answers your question.
I particularly like your use of the term 'these people'- what do you mean, British citizens? or has the fact that they have problems make them lesser beings than your good self.

How is the charity concerned funded ?