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andrewb · 08-06-2006, 21:01

Could you explain further?

Gayle · 08-06-2006, 21:03

Respect is something that has to come from the leadership. The Council leader, by the very definition of being a leader, has to lead the people of this area. He is the one ultimately responsible for housing decisions that create slum housing estates, he is the one ultimately responsible for the lack of amenities and he is the one ultimately responsible for the potential future of the borough.

andrewb · 08-06-2006, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Gayle

The Council leader, by the very definition of being a leader, has to lead the people of this area.

Even the greatest of leaders needs people with motivation to follow, and im sure we can all agree that some people just arnt interested in politics.

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Originally Posted by Gayle

He is the one ultimately responsible for housing decisions that create slum housing estates

Off hand I can't think of any newly built estates that have become slums..

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Originally Posted by Gayle

he is the one ultimately responsible for the lack of amenities

Many of the people who want the place to look more attractive, are the same people who will jump down the throats of the council and its leader for 'wasting money' when it should be better used on other things. They can't win no matter what they do.

Gayle · 08-06-2006, 21:26

I'm sorry Cyfr but I disagree with you - a leader is selected because they have leadership skills. It is that person who has to make the decisions, who has to motivate and who has to take responsibility for everything. By what you are saying it sounds like you're about to absolve Tony Blair of any failings in his leadership too. If a leader wishes to take credit for the successes of an area then they also have to take responsibility for the mistakes.

As for the housing - at no point did I say that any new houses had turned into slums.

As for saying 'they can't win no matter what they do' - that is the ultimate cop out. Oh, we won't win so we might as well not do anything.

Neil · 08-06-2006, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I will bring everyone back to the very first thread that I posted on

Ermmm that thread got me thinking, maybe the park could do with a panopticon

or some form of artwork at least. Ossy is a bit lacking in works of art.

Busman747 · 08-06-2006, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I agree with you A-B. I will bring everyone back to the very first thread that I posted on (for the benefit of Jaysay I've put the link here)

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ght=panopticon

Yet over time I have come to be 'accepted' as a valued member of the forum. People often don't agree with me but you know what, I don't care, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Thank you Gayle for that "Blast from the Past" It took an hour to wade through the replies which numbered over 200 but as a newbie, you more than held your own, you really took some stick and I am sure that your "acceptance" by other members was as much to do with your tenacity in this, your first thread than your many other excellent threads. BTW, I still don't agree with many of your thoughts. - - -

andrewb · 08-06-2006, 21:46

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I'm sorry Cyfr but I disagree with you - a leader is selected because they have leadership skills. It is that person who has to make the decisions, who has to motivate and who has to take responsibility for everything. By what you are saying it sounds like you're about to absolve Tony Blair of any failings in his leadership too. If a leader wishes to take credit for the successes of an area then they also have to take responsibility for the mistakes.

As for the housing - at no point did I say that any new houses had turned into slums.

As for saying 'they can't win no matter what they do' - that is the ultimate cop out. Oh, we won't win so we might as well not do anything.

For sure, if they take credit they need to also take responsibility for the mistakes (not that blair has done much of that).. what exact mistakes are we talking about here?
Why is it the fault of the council and not the government that existing housing estates have become slums?

'They can't win no matter what they do' is not a cop out. I was simply making a point that if the council use money to make something pretty it won't suit everyone and theres bound to be tons of people tearing them apart for not spending the money elsewhere..

garinda · 08-06-2006, 22:15

Jaysay was online when I posted this. Of course he doesn't have to reply or defend himself, he is as entitled to his opinion as we all are, but it would make interesting read. Is it really so vile here?

I think that castigating this website as a place of 'vile tirades' does a diservice to the moderators and members of this forum who endeavour to keep it free from too personal an attack. Public figures should be able to be held up to personal scrutiny, just as John Farrer has done in this week's Observer for his own political ends.

I'm still wondering if I might be a 'crony', but since I'm not a member of any political party or having never met Graham Jones I doubt it.

I did once jokingly mention that Peter Britcliffe sadly wasn't pictured wearing speedos in the calendar that was posted through his ward's doors, and which I think is still under investigation for misuse of Council worker's time in it's production.

You have used the press to air your views, I hope Mr Farrer you will do the same here.

jaysay · 08-06-2006, 23:15

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Originally Posted by garinda

Jaysay was online when I posted this. Of course he doesn't have to reply or defend himself, he is as entitled to his opinion as we all are, but it would make interesting read. Is it really so vile here?

I think that castigating this website as a place of 'vile tirades' does a diservice to the moderators and members of this forum who endeavour to keep it free from too personal an attack. Public figures should be able to be held up to personal scrutiny, just as John Farrer has done in this week's Observer for his own political ends.

I'm still wondering if I might be a 'crony', but since I'm not a member of any political party or having never met Graham Jones I doubt it.

I did once jokingly mention that Peter Britcliffe sadly wasn't pictured wearing speedos in the calendar that was posted through his ward's doors, and which I think is still under investigation for misuse of Council worker's time in it's production.

You have used the press to air your views, I hope Mr Farrer you will do the same here.

It would appear that a letter I sent to the Obs some 4 weeks ago has been published, I don't get my copy till the morning. It also appears that people don't like to hear the truth, it seems that its perfectly okay to make fun and castigate of a person who has given 23 years of service to the people of this borough. If you would like to trawl past threads on this site over the last 18 months you may just grasp what I am refering to, but there again it probably won't register will it.

If people want to look at what I have said on this web site they will see that I have never attacked anyone, all I have done is make comments on what others have said. If I remember rightly I also said that I allways give my name to letters published in the local press, unlike some people who attack others from immunity, I have used the name jaysay on this web site, but I would think that most people, especially in political circles know exactly what my real name is, in fact I told Gayle on May 5th as she thought that I was Pete Britcliffe, well for the rest of you my name is John D. Farrer, I am a life long Tory and proud of it, in fact a member for 44 years. I am not Britcliffes Poodle as some have said, I am just a life long friend, Peter deals with council matters I do my thing with the press. Just to make things very clear Peter has never had any say in what I write in letters nor have I told him what to do on council matters. When it comes to it we have both seen off plenty Labour supporters, it looks like Two Homes Jones will be the next. To those still on line good night, God Bless read you in the morning

garinda · 08-06-2006, 23:21

Thank you John. Still be nice if you could quote the vile attacks supposedly made on here about Peter.

garinda · 08-06-2006, 23:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay

It would appear that a letter I sent to the Obs some 4 weeks ago has been published

Perhaps the use of a stamp will result in earlier publication next time.

chav1 · 08-06-2006, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Sorry, but no Cyfr it has to come from the top down.

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Could you explain further?

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changed my mind

jaysay · 08-06-2006, 23:33

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Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps the use of a stamp will result in earlier publication next time.

Don't use the post Gary I always Fax my letters, just can't even brake the habit and use "E" Mails, bit too long in the tooth me thinks

garinda · 08-06-2006, 23:39

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To those still on line good night, God Bless read you in the morning

A gentleman never goes back on his word. I thought you were off to bo-bo's, but no another post?

Nighty night, mind the bugs don't bite.

jaysay · 08-06-2006, 23:52

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Originally Posted by garinda

A gentleman never goes back on his word. I thought you were off to bo-bo's, but no another post?

Nighty night, mind the bugs don't bite.

What ever made you think I was a gentleman Gary, that must be the best backhanded compliment I've had for many a long day, as for loging of well the ale hasn't worn of yet and I can't stand the Mint