Oh dear, Mr. Jones

Less · 26-04-2005, 06:12

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Talking to one of your golfing partners at work today Graham it seems you are of the opinion that this site is an extreme right wing website where we constantly post about the BNP and Nazis.

Oh dear, Mr. Jones I do hope that quote from Bagpuss in Councillor Jones is Famous!!!!! is incorrect, because if it isn't then it seems to be a very sweeping and inaccurate statement.

Yes there are posts on this site talking about the above topics but 'constantly' I don't think so!
Some of the debates about these very subjects can and sometimes do get heated, why? the reason why seems very obvious to me, if this site was 'an extreme right wing website' then there would not be a debate (or as I like to call it an argument), to have a debate we need at least two opposing points of view and from what I have seen whenever these and many other topics are discussed we often get many more than two points of view and also a very large amount of comment in the gray areas in between.

I do hope that you were mis-quoted because I read your input with a great deal of interest and up until now, although not always agreeing with you have not found any need for criticism of what you sincerly believe.

I hope you will continue to post on here but I would like to hear your honest opinion of what you think of us, the mortals that contribute on a regular basis to this site.

garinda · 26-04-2005, 06:25

Gosh, that's interesting if true. l shall await a reply with interest if it's true.

I for one have found very litle political extremism on this site. The most vicious debates have been about public art!

A quote from Joe Strummer of the Clash= good.
playing golf= not so cool!

cashman · 26-04-2005, 10:57

if i thought for a minute that the sight was extreme right wing extremists,i for one would certainly not come near it.its just ordinary people expressing opinions,many i presume don,t agree with mine,but theres something not right to me with a councillor who makes a comment like that.it was totally uncalled for as far as i am concerned.

lettie · 26-04-2005, 11:26

Now I don't think we should jump to conclusions as Mr Jones may have been taken out of context. I think this site reflects the thoughts and feelings of us ordinary folk on the issues that matter to us. I think that the majority of us are fed up with being fobbed off by the government and councils about matters regarding our overall welfare, whether it be education, immigration, health, crime, taxes, the list is endless. If councillor Jones truly thinks that this is an extreme right wing site then that is his opinion. However it would show an extreme lack of understanding of not only the issues important to us all but also of the English language, which would call into question his ability to air our views to the council, and I don't really think that is the case.

PurpleLass · 26-04-2005, 11:34

As a relative new comer to this site I have to admit that I found it daunting at first. There are a few (and I stress 'a few') people who can behave like bullies and if you disagree with them they get quite aggressive. However, after being here for a few weeks now I've realised that they really are in the minority.

I hope Graham Jones continues to come to this site because I've learnt a lot more about politics than before. I don't always agree but then again, I sometimes do so it would be a shame for him to leave now. Plus, you've got to applaud him for standing up on a site like this and letting everyone know what he thinks.

I hope his comments on the golf course were taken out of context.

pendy · 26-04-2005, 12:33

Perhaps Councillor Jones would prefer to see it as an extreme left-wing site?

Personally, I prefer it as it is, with all political beliefs freely discussed, and opinions expressed equally freely.

Remember the quote? - "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

WillowTheWhisp · 26-04-2005, 13:08

For anyone to be able to view this site as full of right wing extremists they would need to be very far left indeed because as several others have already stated we have a wide variety of opinions expressed by the different members with opposing points of view and indeed some of the debates do become very heated at times.

Sometimes I may find myself agreeing with certain members on one topic but at the same time disgreeing with those same people on a different topic. That's what makes freedom of speech so interesting, that we can have these different views and not be afraid to air them. I do not accept generalised labelling. It shows such a lack of imagination.

I think you may have found us daunting at first Purple Lass because the majority of us didn't share your view on one particular topic, but having said that I have since agreed with you on others which just goes to illustrate my point. I think we are all adult enough to view each topic sensibly in its own right. (Well most of us are).

I would be very intrested to know if you did make that statement Councillor Jones and whether it made more sense if not taken out of context. As Lettie said, if that is your opinion then it shows a serious lack of understanding of the issues important to us all and does indeed call into question your ability to air our views to the council. It would be sad to think that this was the case when you have joined us here in many of our discussions and been so informative.

PurpleLass · 26-04-2005, 18:11

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I think you may have found us daunting at first Purple Lass because the majority of us didn't share your view on one particular topic, but having said that I have since agreed with you on others which just goes to illustrate my point. I think we are all adult enough to view each topic sensibly in its own right. (Well most of us are).

And I turn realise that I burst onto the site with a bee in my bonnet about that particular issue when I should perhaps have eased myself in.

Because I've since realised that some people like to be objectionable purely for the fun of objecting. They seem to get pleasure in winding people up and it is probably this that Cllr Jones has taken to heart.

Margaret Pilkington · 26-04-2005, 19:25

I have found this site very well balanced.......as other posters have pointed out, the things that we get heated about are the things that concern us in our daily lives. I'm not at all keen on labelling folk as 'extreme right wing' or 'loony lefties'..........and I too, think that if the comment was 'as posted' it does show a supreme lack of understanding of the concerns of the folk that live in the borough.........and I had Graham down as a guy who was passionate about the concerns of his ward and the people who live there.

I have learned much more about local politics since Graham has been a member.

Bagpuss · 26-04-2005, 19:45

Less did you really have to start a new thread about the same subject? I feel that to get the full picture you can't pick a bit out of my post you need the full thread as it was.

Although in the other thread he did make the comment "you BNP lot, I must now say that my comments where not a direct quote from Graham Jones but someone else’s interpretation of what his opinion was. I have spoken to this person again and he is extremely annoyed with me for using his comments of what were a private conversation and his refuses to discuss them again.

I too feel Graham is a valued member of this website and have learned a lot from him even though we differ in opinion on some issues.

Without going through all of Grahams postings I do not ever remember him referring to any member of this site as a Nazi and feel as I have no prove that Graham has an opinion that this website is an extreme right wing site. I apologise again and would agree to never posting again on the Accyweb if that is what he wants.

Bagpuss

WillowTheWhisp · 26-04-2005, 20:56

There are a couple of lessons to be learned here.

First of all it's never wise to talk about people behind their backs as you never know how much of it will get back to the person of whom you speak.

Secondly we should all be careful how much store we set by a report received second or third hand.

Third point - it's much better to have these discussions out in the open here on a message board where any false reports can be rectified rather than people just grumbling to each other about them in private without ever really knowing if they are true or not.

So come on Graham tell us what's true and what isn't and let's discuss things with each other rather than talk about what somebody said someone else said about what you'd said.

chav1 · 26-04-2005, 21:39

As far as i can make it out ami correct in understanding that a friend of a friend said that a friend said that we are nazis

my my this is confusing although i often disagree with graham about alomost everything including imigration i wont judge off second hand information

altough i have preppared a new picture ready just incase we do decide we are nazis

hey if prince harry can wear one ime sure i can use one for a joke...?

cashman · 26-04-2005, 21:44

nice one chav though some might not think so lol

chav1 · 26-04-2005, 21:50

yeah ive kinda taken a risk for a ear bashing but ime counting on a few people having a twisted sense of humour like me

for those that havnt i appologise and to those that have cracked a smile you should be ashamed of your selves

Bagpuss · 02-05-2005, 19:27

Unless Graham comes on the site to give us his side of the story then decide for yourselves to use a phrase Graham uses often "in my honest opinion", the info I posted was correct and also "in my honest opinion", I suspect that he has been advised to lay of the controversial stuff and not post until after the election. I have taken a lot of crap over my recent postings and I'm genuinely upset if I caused Graham any trouble but in future I'm still going to post what I see and hear along with my opinions if I know it's true, unless I'm banned.