One example of many within the NHS

[cashman]

well folk like you n i must be very lucky,having computers n ability to look after ourselves, how many aint? i'm sticking wi me comment.

[MargaretR]

Butty shops and pie shops are a 'no no'
Maybe that's why Accrington doesn't feature on that site.

PS look what I've found !!!!
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/...y-requirements

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by steeljack

My thinking is that if the HHS was serious about saving money they could start by making all patients including kids (regardless of circumstance) make a nomimnal co-payment of £10 for each appointment , soon clear out the malingerers

Hang on there Steeljack.. the vast majority of people in this country are now or in the past paying into the NHS .. and I'd say the majority don't want the NHS turned into the sort of system you have in the USA..a system were the more you earn the more you can afford on health insurance and better medical care...it is an option in this country but in my opinion not progress..so no thanks.. we got rid of that long ago.

[Neil]

I don't agree with food on prescription either.

[Mancie]

I was once prescribed bananas when in hospital because of potassium but just treated it as a joke..if I need a banana I'll buy one or two... I can see how this could be important when in care or hospital but if I was told I shoud not eat bread I would stop eating it.. would not expect the NHS to supply me with overpriced bread for my breakfast.!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

A prescription for -
"breads, rolls, pastas, flour and bread mixes, pizza bases and crackers. ...Sweet biscuits and cake mixes are being restricted in some areas."
..can hardly be described as medicine can it?

Neither can free alcohol or Methadone either

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Coeliac is not a new disorder.......it has been present in the population for a long time, but for many years it was not accurately diagnosed.
Children were frequently admitted to paediatric wards in a malnourished state......despite the fact that their parents said they had healthy appetities.
They were labelled Failure to Thrive(FTT) and then diagnosis became possible by taking a small biopsy from the gut.....this showed that the children had a metabolic disorder....they could not digest the gluten in wheat.

While I can understand Margaret's viewpoint, I do not subscribe to it.

Being able to have bread in their diet makes children feel more 'normal'...even though that bread is special......and to expect parents to fund this special dietary requirement out of their own pockets may place a financial burden on them that would be unacceptable.

As for making the bread yourself........well for some people that is an option, but for others, it wouldn't be practical.

You also need to realise that when coeliac is talked about, it is more than bread and cakes and biscuits that have to be avoided....anything that uses wheat flour as a 'thickener' is also forbidden. If you have a family member with a food allergy, you have to walk the minefield that is food labelling.

At last one Margaret who actually knows what she's talking about sheds light on just what it means to be gluten intolerance. Not to mention that you need a separate toaster and separate butter dish, just miner points, beer is also out as are lots of things which you wouldn't think would be affected, say some chocolates in a box which are okay and others which are not, the best advise is to avoid the lot.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Diabetics have to learn about diet in order to survive/thrive... are you suggesting that Coeliacs aren't capable of managing their condition in the same way?

Again your talking nonsense, two entirely different conditions and its crass to compare the two

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Gluten free restaurants and pubs, gluten free hotels and accommodation, gluten free cafes and coffee shops, gluten free takeaways and fastfood
Eating out needs more care but isn't impossible.
I searched this site and found one listed in each category in Blackburn - none in Accrington.

I have eaten out with my coeliac cousin in Wales and when on holiday with her in La Palma.
She needed to ask the waiter about ingredients and select her dishes accordingly.

eg. I have never seen a salad with gluten - just have an oil dressing - no mayonnaise

Have you ever tried eating at one of these "gluten free" establishments, its quite easy sitting in front of a computer and putting in links, but things are different in real life, believe me

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

I don't agree with food on prescription either.

You may just change your mind if you found out you had the disorder, its not just a matter of giving up bread, the problem is people don't know how much this actually affects a hell of a lot of things, especially when young kids are involved, how do you tell a child they can't have a biscuit when there siblings are munching away on a penguin

[cmonstanley]

i still think the great still outweighs the bad in the nhs and for paying £10 for an appointment, yes the american health system is the polar opposite of the great british nhs which doesnt discrminate if your poor or rich and lets the deprived and poor to rot and die.the america we dont see on mainstream television .

[jaysay]

Good point cmon, the first question they ask you in an American hospital is "whats your credit card number"

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Have you ever tried eating at one of these "gluten free" establishments, its quite easy sitting in front of a computer and putting in links, but things are different in real life, believe me

Wetherspoons provides gluten free dishes - maybe you missed that a few posts back.

I have dined at -
Wetherspoons Newquay - reasonably tasty but not memorable.
Wetherspoons Morecambe - that was a disappointment - peas like cold bullets.

I am not ruling out the likelihood that I may well visit a Wetherspoons again. Serving the same food nationwide can vary according to how it is cooked locally.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Wetherspoons provides gluten free dishes - maybe you missed that a few posts back.

I have dined at -
Wetherspoons Newquay - reasonably tasty but not memorable.
Wetherspoons Morecambe - that was a disappointment - peas like cold bullets.

I am not ruling out the likelihood that I may well visit a Wetherspoons again. Serving the same food nationwide can vary according to how it is cooked locally.

That wasn't the point I was making Margaret, they may say they are gluten free but are they, its all down to the prep and people do that, if we get people who are supposed to nurse the sick are accused of killing them whats the chance of every employee at an eatery sticking to the correct procedures,

Nearly 20 years ago, when Joan was first diagnosed, we went on holiday to Torquay, but we stopped overnight in a hotel near Truro, we first checked if they catered for gluten free, which they did. When we arrived Joan mentioned about the gluten free meal, and the chef actually came out to see her. when we went into the dinning room the Italian matradee showed us the the table, the waitress took our order, Joan was having soup, as the waitress came out of the kitchen the matradee actually picked up some croutons and put them in both bowls of soup, doh, He wasn't amused when Joan told him it was no use fishing them out with a spoon and wanted a fresh dish

I think if I remember rightly Barry Yates said on here that he and little pom had had a meal in Accy somewhere and her meal was supposedly gluten free, but she was ill afterwards, I'm sure he will confirm this if he sees this post.

So you see because an establishment says its provides gluten free food, doesn't always mean that it does, mainly because of human error

[lancsdave]

Another example of the wasting money in the NHS. They should clamp down on pathetic scum who don't need prescriptions but still continue to get them ( or should it be the doctors who need striking off for keep writing them out )

This morning I witnessed one of Accringtons many town centre low lifes come out of Lloyds chemists with 2 bags of what I assume were prescribed 'necessities' and walk to some other low life waiting at the corner of the market. The waiting low life handed over a sum of cash and the other one handed over his goods. 10.30am at one of the busiest points in the town centre