One guy's way of getting back at smoking ban.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by mr_flibble

Tabaco should be illegal full stop. Its a terrible, harmful substance and the entire industry is sick.

Quite ironic from somebody whose other thread is about the state of the town centre at night due to the over-indulgence of alchohol. If I were down town on a Saturday night I can assure you I would feel far safer stood next to somebody who had just smoked ten fags in the last hour than somebody who had just drunk ten pints

Which do you reckon does more damage to this country tobacco or alchohol ? I know which gets my vote.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by mr_flibble

I cant believe there are people actually argueing for being able to smoke around other people who dont smoke. Tabaco should be illegal full stop. Its a terrible, harmful substance and the entire industry is sick.

I dont smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treatin cancer that could never have happened with out tabaco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to.

People will moan and cry about having to stand outside and smoke but one day nobody will smoke at all, it will all slowly die out and then people will say 'i cant believe people back then actually smoked that stuff, didnt they know it was killing them?'

Smokers say it harms their freedom and human rights, but what about the freedom and human rights of the ever increasing non-smoking people of this country?

If you think its ok to smoke in a pub full of other people then surely it should also be ok to smoke crack, weed or any other substance in the same place, after all they are all just as harmful.

In fact if smoking in a room full of other people is ok then it should be ok for me to walk in with a big bag of asbestos dust and start shakeing it around the room for people to breath in.

i hope one day you will be a happy person,and make sensible comments about what the threads about,instead of being a miserable git.

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Quite ironic from somebody whose other thread is about the state of the town centre at night due to the over-indulgence of alchohol. If I were down town on a Saturday night I can assure you I would feel far safer stood next to somebody who had just smoked ten fags in the last hour than somebody who had just drunk ten pints

Which do you reckon does more damage to this country tobacco or alchohol ? I know which gets my vote.

Well I cerainly don't start kicking f... out of anything and everything when I have had few fags(must say I don't do it when I have had a few drinks either) but in reply to your question alcohol without a doubt.

[katex]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

Are there statistics that back this up?

Certainly when my nurse daughter was doing studies, she had papers that backed this up. Sure could find if you google Cyfr. Only one can find at the moment is this:-

KeepTheDoctorAway - Smoking: The Statistics

A little puzzled though as they talk about revenue of £8,000 million which to me is 8 Billion, then talk in billions when stating costs .. am I getting my arithmetic wrong ?

Can't see how they can attribute all days off by smokers to smoking .. suppose they just put this down if you have a cold or chest infection which non smokers suffer from too ..

[Acrylic-bob]

I think that it is stretching the point a bit too far to include working days lost and widow's benefits in any calculation of the costs of Tobacco Abuse. But then, health facists are not renowned for balanced argument.

I am not sure that the guy in Darwen has got the right idea in carrying the segregation so far but it does show non-smokers in a very hypocritical light and if they do not like the idea of segregating smokers they always have the option of petitioning the government for a relaxation of the ban.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

Are there statistics that back this up?

Estimated cost of smoking related diseases to NHS £1,500 million.

Total cost of revenue raised from tobacco £8 billion.


Nicotine addiction and smoking cessation treatments -- Luty 8 (1): 42 -- Advances in Psychiatric Treatment

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Estimated cost of smoking related diseases to NHS £1,500 million.

Total cost of revenue raised from tobacco £8 billion.


Nicotine addiction and smoking cessation treatments -- Luty 8 (1): 42 -- Advances in Psychiatric Treatment

Just to clarify, unless I'm getting my millions and billions mixed up, the cost to NHS £1.5 billion, tax raised from smokers £8 billion.

[andrewb]

In that case im glad they haven't banned smoking. If my mum and dad are stupid enough to smoke im glad I can wreak the benefits in terms of government money spent.

[jambutty]

These non-smokers who complain about having to pass the gauntlet of smokers as they go into a pub are conveniently forgetting that during their walk to the pub they breathed in far more in the form of lethal chemicals coming from vehicle exhausts. But then that’s OK ‘cos most drive cars.

Because none smokers aint making people breathe harmful substances?

Car drivers are and there’s more of them Cyfr.

why do these smokers think they have pulled one over on the non smokers it isnt the non smokers that are actually saying you aint allowed to smoke inside its the goverment....

But the non-smoking hypocrites backed the proposal and it was they who made all the fuss kathleen_firth.

If you want to suggest banning cars because of the fumes in general (not specifying that they are non-smokers) then thats another story but has nothing to do with the fact taht non-smokers drive cars.

Ah! Cyfr. But its these non-smoking car drivers who complain about having to breathe in second hand smoke yet ignore the fact that they make all and sundry breathe in their exhaust fumes. A more classic case of hypocrisy you will not find.

I dont smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treatin cancer that could never have happened with out tabaco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to.

The same old silly argument mr flibble. Don’t you know that smokers contribute far more to the national coffers than they take out for smoking related diseases?

Apart from all that don’t people realise that the government has managed to get the population arguing amongst itself and thus too busy to notice the sneaky extra taxes being imposed on us and being inexorably integrated into the EU against the wishes of the bulk of the population.

[ANNE]

"I don't smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treating cancer that could never have happened with out tobacco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to."
And just how much do these people who enforced this stupid ban think its gonna cost the national health when they give the smokers who are not gong to give up pneumonia and chest infections due to being made to stand outside in all weathers.

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by ANNE

"I don't smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treating cancer that could never have happened with out tobacco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to."
And just how much do these people who enforced this stupid ban think its gonna cost the national health when they give the smokers who are not gong to give up pneumonia and chest infections due to being made to stand outside in all weathers.

For gods sake give us a break, I have lost two mother-in-laws to cancer, neither of them were smokers ,so where does the tobacco theory fit in here?

[mothernature]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

For gods sake give us a break, I have lost two mother-in-laws to cancer, neither of them were smokers ,so where does the tobacco theory fit in here?

It doesn't and that's what smokers are trying to tell people. Passive smoking is a smokescreen (no pun intended). What people don't seem able to grasp is that there are so many chemicals/additives/preservatives in everday products that are dangerous to people and the producers of these products are happy to make money out of the general population until someone realises what is really happening. Personally I don't use chemicals for cleaning, I use natural products and have done for many years. I try very hard to make sure that everything I use has not been made from nor tested on animals.

[Accy Red]

At the end of the day,the only thing guaranteed in life is death,wether ur a smoker/non-smoker,motorist,non-motorist etc etc,I'm a smoker,I also like a drink,by rights I should be dead now or at least in hospital every 5 minutes due to my ill health,if you believe all this spouted by our government that is,I'm not,I'm fit as a fiddle

I smoke,I'm still alive,look at Terry Yoraths young son,playing footy in the garden and keeled over and died with a heart condition aged just 15,what I'm saying is,you never know the minute,smokers and non smokers ALL die someday,its just a shame that rapists,paedo's and murderers all seem to live a lot longer than most good law abiding people

[magpie]

I think they put something different in the fags to make them stink more...
my mum and dad used to smoke when I was a kid... and I never moaned about it...

I also smoke ( but not in my house) I go out doors: but I notice if I slip up from time to time then the whole house stinks...

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by magpie

I think they put something different in the fags to make them stink more...
my mum and dad used to smoke when I was a kid... and I never moaned about it...

I also smoke ( but not in my house) I go out doors: but I notice if I slip up from time to time then the whole house stinks...

I use Goodsphere/ FengShui revitaliser/ PureAir - air washing machines which use essential oils (not petrochemicals) and my avid non smoking son and daughter in law say that my place does NOT smell of ciggies despite my 35 a day