One Job or Two?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

He did, and they are.

Someone from the association was on the radio yesterday, saying they weren' racist at all, as white officers can become 'part' members, just not full members, like their black, asian, or Middle Eastern, fellow officers.

Utter bunkum.

Ya Rindi but as the white majority in this country we are always wrong when it comes to issues of racism, its been said before that if some one had to start a white police officers association they'd get a boot up the proverbial.

On the issue of more than one Job for MPs, can't see the problem, after all being a paid politician ain't the safest career in the world, as your only as goo as your last election

[blazey]

Without pyrotechnicians life would be pretty rubbish, and I don't think there are lots of them at our disposal so I think it's good that someone is willing to work several jobs that are so very important.

[katex]

Originally Posted by jambutty

However, I’m thinking of “conflicts of interest”. There have been many calls to have fireworks banned because of the way they are misused. So should it ever come to pass that Parliament is discussing the banning of the manufacture, importing and sale of fireworks it would put Mark Lancaster in an awkward position.

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Even with the controversy over fireworks, at least he has not made any secret of this interest, so would just have to cross that bridge if it ever gets to the banning stage, which I don't think it will myself ... after all still need them for the Olympics .. So safe until after 2012. Sure they have M.P.'s holding shares in lots of companies that manufacture goods that are controversial, etc.

Can only speak for one M.P., who was also Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, that I sorta' worked alongside. He handed over the running of his business to his son, and only was there as a sort of figure head and adviser ... definitely his first calling was his Parliamentary work. Did get a slap on the wrist once though for not declaring this interest, but was exonerated. They don't miss much. Mind you, he had an exceptionally hard working secretary who did most of the 'ground work' and day to day correspondence, which is very important to a busy M.P.

[jambutty]

Having several jobs INSIDE government and holding shares in companies is not the issue. Most MP’s are on some government committee or other and an MP is perfectly entitled to hold shares in businesses. Declared, of course.

Having another job outside of government is the issue.

An MP is paid, and paid very well plus expenses and second homes, to represent his/her constituency and as such I would expect my MP to devote the full daily working hours to that job.

I wonder how people would feel if their GP, also paid very well, had another job outside of medicine?

[katex]

Understand what you are saying Jambutty, one of your queries was conflict of interests though.

In the case of Mark Lancaster, he is only 38 years old, and probably more than capable of handling other activities. (Not that is always an age thing mind you, lots of over 50's capable of producing lots of energy).

Like I said earlier, would be interesting to see how many M.P's do engage in another career quite heavily. Don't suppose any sort of list like this is available though, without going into each one individually .. unless MargaretR can google us one ... At the end of the day, presume doesn't really matter if they do their duty to the electorate, who would no doubt pick up if their local M.P. was not pulling his/her weight. Suppose would have to be something like not being able to attend an important Common's meeting, etc., due to prior business commitments.

[katex]

As an afterthought, would presume future M.P.'s go through quite stringent vetting by their party before being put forward for election, and sure this type of question would arise about other interests.

[jambutty]

I was just using Mark Lancaster as an example but my query applies to all MP’s.

In http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/members/mps.cfm amongst other things it states:
“MPs split their time between working in Parliament itself, working in the constituency that elected them, and working for their political party. Some MPs from the ruling party become government ministers with specific responsibilities in certain areas, such as Health or Defence.”

You can find out MP’s interests here - http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

For example my MP Janet Anderson http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/janet_anderson/rossendale_and_darwen
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/jack_straw/blackburn
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/greg_pope/hyndburn
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/kitty_ussher/burnley

If you had a full time job and also a part time job elsewhere, as many people do because they have to, to make ends meet, and the part time job interfered with your attendance and work at your full time job, your full time employer would soon let you know and you would be given an alternative. Full or part!

We the electorate are to all intents and purposes the employer of an MP.

I’m sure that a prospective candidate is vetted before being put forward but a lot can change in up to 5 years.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I was just using Mark Lancaster as an example but my query applies to all MP’s.

In http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/members/mps.cfm amongst other things it states:
“MPs split their time between working in Parliament itself, working in the constituency that elected them, and working for their political party. Some MPs from the ruling party become government ministers with specific responsibilities in certain areas, such as Health or Defence.”

You can find out MP’s interests here - http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

For example my MP Janet Anderson http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/janet_anderson/rossendale_and_darwen
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/jack_straw/blackburn
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/greg_pope/hyndburn
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/kitty_ussher/burnley

If you had a full time job and also a part time job elsewhere, as many people do because they have to, to make ends meet, and the part time job interfered with your attendance and work at your full time job, your full time employer would soon let you know and you would be given an alternative. Full or part!

We the electorate are to all intents and purposes the employer of an MP.

I’m sure that a prospective candidate is vetted before being put forward but a lot can change in up to 5 years.

That web site is very interesting JB, in fact to quote Brucie "Its My Favourite"

[blazey]

If a student can be on a full time course like mine which is 40hrs a week, and still work another 16hrs part time, then I think an MP who is experienced in his line of work can cope with a few extra duties tied into his schedule.

I worked for a barrister in the summer who had to work a full time job whilst at uni on flexible hours just so he could pay his living expenses and he left uni with a first class degree.

Sadly, people need to often work more than one job to survive in this world. 8% of the working population in the EU are still under the poverty line. That is a vast amount of people, working full time jobs and still not having enough to survive. Can you blame people for taking more than one job? Yes he may be an MP and paid quite richly, but humans naturally want the best quality of life they can get, so should we alienate someone just because they want to work presumably damn hard for that standard of living?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by blazey

If a student can be on a full time course like mine which is 40hrs a week, and still work another 16hrs part time, then I think an MP who is experienced in his line of work can cope with a few extra duties tied into his schedule.

I worked for a barrister in the summer who had to work a full time job whilst at uni on flexible hours just so he could pay his living expenses and he left uni with a first class degree.

Sadly, people need to often work more than one job to survive in this world. 8% of the working population in the EU are still under the poverty line. That is a vast amount of people, working full time jobs and still not having enough to survive. Can you blame people for taking more than one job? Yes he may be an MP and paid quite richly, but humans naturally want the best quality of life they can get, so should we alienate someone just because they want to work presumably damn hard for that standard of living?

Once again you've missed the point, can't really see an MP being on the bread line, to my way of thinking anybody, from any party knows what money they will be paid and if they think that the money they earn cannot keep them in the style they have become accustom to, then don't get into politics. Having said that there are no rules saying you can't have jobs outside the Commons and so long a they fulfill their parliamentary duties what the hell, although Call Me Dave has said he wants the Tories to have just their job in Westminster, we'll have to wait and see if it happens

[jambutty]

I believe that the police are barred from having an additional outside job.

So if the upholders of the law cannot have an extra job then surely the makers of the laws (the MP’s) should also be barred from doing so.

I seem to remember many years ago a fireman was forced to give up his ‘extra’ job or quit the fire service.

[polly]

I think having a 2nd job may actually help an MP to understand the Real World. For instance the MP who is also in the TA probably comes into contact with people from all walks of life that he would no meet in his roll as MP.
However, an MP should not have to have 2 jobs as this would discriminate against women who already have a 2nd job - at home. Mp's need a reasonable wage and if they choose to supplement that elsewhere, as long as it does not interfere with their MP duties, good luck to them.

What worries me more is MP's who do not live (family as well ) in their constituency. As once weekly visit to do their duty at constituency meeting and football matches does not fully ensure that the MP knows and understand his constituents.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jambutty

I seem to remember many years ago a fireman was forced to give up his ‘extra’ job or quit the fire service.

As far as I know firemen are still allowed to have second jobs. I certainly know two that have second jobs.

A quick search seems to back this up.

'Even some of the day shift can often be spent reading, playing cards or even catching up on the paper work for their second jobs.'

http://www.igreens.org.uk/reforming_...re_service.htm

Perhaps one of our members, who's a firefighter could clarify the matter.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

As far as I know firemen are still allowed to have second jobs. I certainly know two that have second jobs.

A quick search seems to back this up.

'Even some of the day shift can often be spent reading, playing cards or even catching up on the paper work for their second jobs.'

Reforming the Fire Service

Perhaps one of our members, who's a firefighter could clarify the matter.

Many years ago I worked with a fireman, he came into work with us when it was his days off from the fire service, and they knew all about it, although there maybe some places where a second job isn't permitted, I'm not sure but I think Greater Manchester Fire Service maybe one