organ donation? - Page 2

Lilly · 13-01-2008, 22:08

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Originally Posted by davo69

why not take all inside out if you are going to be free heat for chaples

I don't see the connection there.

steeljack · 13-01-2008, 22:09

from what I read it seems transplant teams would be on standby waiting for the required parts whilst the proposed doner is still on life support , seems to me this is a far to easy way for some Hospital management person decide if the support should be pulled (withdrawing treatment) and make his management team look good on the official statistics chart about how many donations came from that particular hospital

shillelagh · 13-01-2008, 22:10

Me i agree with it. Simple reason is when someone is dying the doctors themselves dont like asking the relatives would you consider organ donation? Relatives at that time dont want to think about organ donation they just want little johnny/uncle sam/auntie mary/mum/dad/little sally to live as long as possible they dont want them to die so most of them say no - they cant think of anything else but their relative, its upsetting to them, and even then the person may have said to a couple of members of the family that when they die they wanted to donate but when they are dying everything goes out the window.

By the way how many of you are on the organ donation register?
I am ever since i was 18 ive carried an organ donation card and when i asked at the chemist for another they gave me a form for the register so did that signed up for it.

glasgow guy · 13-01-2008, 22:17

I think its the right way to do it - have a card to opt out - if no card then your fair game...if this was the way ahead then think of how many peoples lifes would be getting saved per year and it would also cut down on the huge waiting lists for a transplant operation.
one day it could be you going for that life saving operation - and if you were operated on within months rather than years I doubt you would complain...

harwood red · 13-01-2008, 22:43

Yippee I have been waiting for this for years...ok I understand that some people may object to their organs being donated (no idea why, just worm food or ash) but if they do they can opt out..

There are adverts on the radio at the moment saying there will be forms coming through the post to ask people to join the organ register..they had done some kind of poll and 70% of people agreed with organ donation but out of those only 34% had bothered to either register or carry a donor card..

But you can carry as many cards as you like but at the moment unless you have notified your family of your wishes and they carry those wishes through then again the card is useless.

All my family know my wishes and I have discussed it with my children too and they also wish for their organs to be donated too!

I have been on the register since it's conception...so for once I give the government a big thumbs up for this one.

Don't forget those of you that feel the govt are making the decision for you...they're not, they're giving you the choice whilst you are alive to opt out

panther · 14-01-2008, 09:39

ive been thinking, if you opt out and dont want your organs removed after death, does this mean that if YOU ever need a transplant, they wont give you one because you arnt willing to give yours away?

jackyalex · 14-01-2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by hedman2003

I fully support the Govt on this one, on what grounds could anybody deny another poorly person the use of their organs after they've died.

Like money you cant take it with you, personally I would find some solace if a loved one had assisted somebody else, why are you all so selfish and shortsighted (you can have my corneas when I'm gone!!!!)

selfishness is an alchoholic who needs my liver or a smoker who needs my lungs or heart, i have no use for my organs once im dead but the thought of someone who is a smoker or a heavy drinker abusing my organs is discusting, however someone who has fallen ill through no fault of their own can gladly have my organs, my name is down as a doner, i have nothing against smokers or drinkers but its self inflicted, and the poor child who has done nothing to deserve liver failure should be put 1st

cashman · 14-01-2008, 11:41

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Originally Posted by jackyalex

selfishness is an alchoholic who needs my liver or a smoker who needs my lungs or heart, i have no use for my organs once im dead but the thought of someone who is a smoker or a heavy drinker abusing my organs is discusting, however someone who has fallen ill through no fault of their own can gladly have my organs, my name is down as a doner, i have nothing against smokers or drinkers but its self inflicted, and the poor child who has done nothing to deserve liver failure should be put 1st

appreciate were yer coming from jackyalex, but dont see how that could ever work.

ya cant bung organs in any Tom,Dick,or Harry, they got to be a match,in my understanding of it.

Margaret Pilkington · 14-01-2008, 13:13

You are right Cashy, they do have to match....and a gift of your organs once you no longer need them should not come with a proviso......it may be that the drinker will give up the drink in return for his new life....OK, don't quote George Best at me......but second chances should be allowed.

entwisi · 14-01-2008, 13:18

Agree Margaret, Sometimes the threat of the reaper knocking is what kicks some people into life

MargaretR · 14-01-2008, 14:23

Although I have a donor card and agree with the principle of my body being put to good use, I do have some qualms about the current definition of death, which has been revised over the years. It is now defined as brain dead, and not just cessation of other vital organ function.
I have the card even though none of us know what conciousness, if any, lingers after the cessation of bodily functions. Some organs need to be 'fresh' for transplant, which involves the bodily functions being sustained artificially.
We can never know whether 'the deceased' is aware of what is happening to their body. I have a card because I do not wish to survive as a 'living vegetable', even though some coma patients have been known to recover after a long time.

cashman · 14-01-2008, 14:59

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

Although I have a donor card and agree with the principle of my body being put to good use, I do have some qualms about the current definition of death, which has been revised over the years. It is now defined as brain dead, and not just cessation of other vital organ function.

ive been defined as "brain dead" for years.

shillelagh · 14-01-2008, 15:35

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Originally Posted by cashman

ive been defined as "brain dead" for years.

How many years cashy? 60?

harwood red · 14-01-2008, 18:33

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Originally Posted by harwood red

Yippee I have been waiting for this for years...ok I understand that some people may object to their organs being donated (no idea why, just worm food or ash) but if they do they can opt out..

There are adverts on the radio at the moment saying there will be forms coming through the post to ask people to join the organ register..they had done some kind of poll and 70% of people agreed with organ donation but out of those only 34% had bothered to either register or carry a donor card..

But you can carry as many cards as you like but at the moment unless you have notified your family of your wishes and they carry those wishes through then again the card is useless.

All my family know my wishes and I have discussed it with my children too and they also wish for their organs to be donated too!

I have been on the register since it's conception...so for once I give the government a big thumbs up for this one.

Don't forget those of you that feel the govt are making the decision for you...they're not, they're giving you the choice whilst you are alive to opt out

Just want to revise the figures I quoted above as I heard the advert again and it was actually 90% in favour of organ donation and only 24% have done anything about registering

Bonnyboy · 14-01-2008, 18:58

I agree with the presumed consent proposal in general terms. I would like to know more about it though.

A scenario might be, patient in need of lung transplant is awaiting a donor, the said transplant would give the patient a normal standard of life. Some poor sod has a car accident and is in A&E, their lungs are fine ( a good match ) but they have brain damage and although will not die through this, they will be in pretty much a vegetative state for the rest of their lives. Completely dependant on others. Would the doctors start to play God? Which life would be deemed to be of higher worth?….I really would like to know more about it.