Ossy Moor wind farm

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Neil

Of course we are. We are being ripped off because the energy companies are businesses only interested in making money.

Surprisingly- in Europe out of 23 countries-
16 countries have dearer electric.
20 countries have dearer gas.
8 countries have dearer petrol.

So either we're not doing badly or most of Europe is being ripped off even more than we are.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The fact that we pay less does not make me feel better.
It makes me think that they will hike the prices until they are in line with those who pay more.
I'd better get knitting some jumpers!

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Surprisingly- in Europe out of 23 countries-
16 countries have dearer electric.
20 countries have dearer gas.
8 countries have dearer petrol.

So either we're not doing badly or most of Europe is being ripped off even more than we are.

All nations get ripped off but some are more ripped off than others
(apologies to George Orwell )

[Accyexplorer]

How long before these turbines cause us health issues?
Wind Turbine Syndrome (WTS) is the clinical name Dr. Nina Pierpont has attributed.
Wind farms 'make people sick who live up to a mile away' - Telegraph

It would take thousands of wind turbines, spread over miles of our lovely countryside (killing tourism and wildlife) to produce as much electricity as a power station or nuclear reactor. But the power stations would still be needed as back-up for the days when these wind turbines produce little/no electricity.

Prof Michael J. Trebilcock of the University of Toronto wrote an interesting artical entitled "Wind Power is a Complete Disaster".
As he (correctly ) points out, wind power in other countries (Denmark, Germany) has not reduced CO2 emissions nor closed any coal powered plants.
In fact, emissions have gone up .

I'm with Margret on the "wave power" or hydro electrics, There are many famous such generating stations in the world for example, Niagara Falls and Boulder Dam. These are just a few examples of energy produced by falling water.
On the other hand, a small mill with a water wheel set in the rapids of a fast-flowing stream is also an example (on a lesser scale) of it in action.
The truth is that any steady current of flowing water from a river or other waterway can be converted to power.

"so why is there not more push to maximise these more efficient types of energy....might it have something to do with subsidies.
At present, it is going to take many many years to recoup the cost of these eyesores....and without the benefit of cheaper energy." MP.

Hope you don't mind me quoting you M,but I believe your correct

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

....On the other hand, a small mill with a water wheel set in the rapids of a fast-flowing stream is also an example (on a lesser scale) of it in action.

You could invest in the hydro plant at Whalley if you are convinced they are so good, have a look at the project here Whalley Community Hydro | Community Renewable Energy Scheme

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

.....The truth is that any steady current of flowing water from a river or other waterway can be converted to power.

Unfortunately there are no suitable sites in Hyndburn

[michaelfarmer]

I'll have some if there is any going spare..love to see my bill come down.

check this site out

[Margaret Pilkington]

Ofgem are referring the big six companies to the competition watchdog...they say there has been 'collusion' over prices rises, both in timing and in the amounts of rises.
Does this not signify that there has been a cartel?
Aren't cartels illegal?
Will any of the big energy prices be prosecuted?
Not a chance!

[cashman]

Cartels are illegal as far as i know, But everyone knows they exist,also everyone i'm sure, knows sod all will be done about the fact.

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Guinness

I'd rather see a bank of turbines on a hill than a nuclear power plant any day of the week

Build the plants and turbines where no one can see them then..middle of knowhere then everyones happy...well nearly everyone

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Oops looked liked some Local Authorities have been ripped off which is no surprise. That story is about small turbines not the type on Ossy Moor.

Your not telling me they dont know they are being ripped off...they probably dont care so long as they get their back handers and expensive freebies.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Karateman

Build the plants and turbines where no one can see them then..middle of knowhere then everyones happy...well nearly everyone

Sounds like a good idea but the infrastructure costs would be even higher

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Neil, look at the figures in the article again!

Gas/coal/oil received £3.63 billion but supplied 85% of our energy.
All renewables received £1.4 billion but only supplied 6%.

So each of the 1% supplied by gas/coal/oil was subsidized by £42.7 million.
Each 1% supplied by renewables was subsidized by £233.33 million!

Neil or anyone
could you explain what subsidies are and why we need them? and whether I could get some to help pay for my fuel bills...LOL

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Sounds like a good idea but the infrastructure costs would be even higher

Small price to pay for not seeing these monstrocities

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Karateman

Small price to pay for not seeing these monstrocities

I quite like them

[westendlass]

I do too. I couldn't believe the size of them when they first went up but I think they're an interesting feature to the landscape. Like a giant form of modern art.