Ossy Moor wind farm

[Margaret Pilkington]

Well, I suppose Modern Art is one way of looking at them....but to me they are eyesores.....only marginally more appealing than pylons.

They deface large areas of natural beauty. It would not be so bad if they were doing a good job, but they aren't.

[westendlass]

They do say beauty is in the eye of the beholder Margaret.

[cashman]

Have to say i dont mind the look of em at all, Thats not saying if there any use or not.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by westendlass

They do say beauty is in the eye of the beholder Margaret.

Yes they do. I just preferred to see the Ossy moors before it was dotted with these things.
At least I have the pleasure of that picture in my memory.

[Alan Varrechia]

How many Wind Turbines does it take to make a Wind Turbine. My guess is they could never be economical enough just for that, let alone supplying power for every other kind of industry.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia

How many Wind Turbines does it take to make a Wind Turbine. My guess is they could never be economical enough just for that, let alone supplying power for every other kind of industry.

Looks like you guessed wrong. The average windfarm produces 20-25 times more energy during its operational life than was used to construct and install its turbines

Info from here Does building turbines use more energy than they produce? | Environment | theguardian.com

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Karateman

Neil or anyone
could you explain what subsidies are and why we need them? and whether I could get some to help pay for my fuel bills...LOL

anyone????

What actually are subsidies for?

[Neil]

Which subsides do you mean?

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Which subsides do you mean?

I dont know...everyone keeps mentioning subsidies which the public pay for to have the windturbines built and I was just wondering what they are and who gets them and why?

[Accyexplorer]

If (and it's a big if) ALL the (true) costs of wind farms were made public, there would be a public outcry to ban the (god forbidden) things overnight (which camo's father just so happens to have a finger in.
David Cameron?s father-in-law?s £350,000 annual bung? | windfarmaction

Perhaps they should just let the things run and 'discount' that price to us mere mortal consumers for that period, instead of paying producers to turn them off
Wind farms paid £30m to shut down during high winds - Telegraph
Instead of wasting our money, use it to build a massive hydroelectricity lake etc. Storing excess in rechargeable batteries, This is an easy way to store electricity.
There are quite a few different of ways but major rechargeable batteries sound good, these batteries could then be run all over the country to where electricity is needed.
Whatever happens we need to get energy prices down and paying to switch off turbines that generate electricity is messed up (it's no wonder so many landholders and companies are so willing to build these monstrosities, despite their inefficiency in electricity production).....

It stinks of corruption IMHO

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

If (and it's a big if) ALL the (true) costs of wind farms were made public, there would be a public outcry to ban the (god forbidden) things overnight (which camo's father just so happens to have a finger in.
David Cameron?s father-in-law?s £350,000 annual bung? | windfarmaction

Perhaps they should just let the things run and 'discount' that price to us mere mortal consumers for that period, instead of paying producers to turn them off
Wind farms paid £30m to shut down during high winds - Telegraph
Instead of wasting our money, use it to build a massive hydroelectricity lake etc. Storing excess in rechargeable batteries, This is an easy way to store electricity.
There are quite a few different of ways but major rechargeable batteries sound good, these batteries could then be run all over the country to where electricity is needed.
Whatever happens we need to get energy prices down and paying to switch off turbines that generate electricity is messed up (it's no wonder so many landholders and companies are so willing to build these monstrosities, despite their inefficiency in electricity production).....

It stinks of corruption IMHO

I doubt batteries would be practical. They would have to me massive and they are not environmentally friendly either. Hydroelectric storage like the Welsh one is probably the best way to store electricity.

You need to read more about why they do turn the turbines off. They couldn't keep them turning and give us cheaper power. It's the fossil fuel power stations that can't be turned off that are still producing enough to meet demands. They can't just flick a switch and stop them or worse flick a switch and start them when the demand peaks again at 5pm or whenever it is. They always produce more electricity than is needed so we don't run out ever.

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by karateman

i dont know...everyone keeps mentioning subsidies which the public pay for to have the windturbines built and i was just wondering what they are and who gets them and why?

anyone!!!!!

[Karateman]

Originally Posted by Karateman

anyone!!!!!

I'll guess then....

first
It will be many thousands of pounds from taxpayers paid to rich land owners to allow them on their land..making them even richer and the tax payer poorer. Mr Camerons son in law for one

Tax Money paid to the companies that build the eyesores towards the building and design costs of the said eyesores.

tax Monies paid to Councils for allowing them to build in their area ignoring public opinion

Tax monies paid to Energy companies to invest in these eyesores and up their profits even more for their rich shareholders....

So...how many out of 4....hopefully none and they are actually paid for by the companies themselves and us the tax payer dont contribute anything except less tax and less towards our energy bills....perfect

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Karateman

I'll guess then....

first
It will be many thousands of pounds from taxpayers paid to rich land owners to allow them on their land..making them even richer and the tax payer poorer. Mr Camerons son in law for one

Tax Money paid to the companies that build the eyesores towards the building and design costs of the said eyesores.

tax Monies paid to Councils for allowing them to build in their area ignoring public opinion

Tax monies paid to Energy companies to invest in these eyesores and up their profits even more for their rich shareholders....

So...how many out of 4....hopefully none and they are actually paid for by the companies themselves and us the tax payer dont contribute anything except less tax and less towards our energy bills....perfect

Do you mean guess or do you mean you will make up some statements that you hope everyone will assume is fact and agree with you?

Hyndburn Borough Council will have received from Energiekontor for building the windfarm on Oswaldtwistle Moor planning consent charges. Were any section 106 monies paid to HBC or are you suggesting backhanders were paid?

Would you like to comment on the restoration and improvement works Energiekontor have done on the moor or would you prefer to just keep slagging them off? I don't just mean fixing problems they have caused but those that were there before they built the windfarm.

[accyman]

my guess is some farmers get paid subsidies NOT to farm land then get paid more subsidies to allow wind turbines on them

my guess is a lot of farmers out there get a lot of money for sitting on their arse while other farmers have to get up at the crack of dawn and work their fingers to the bone to get by


i dont know how they figure out who gets paid to to do sod all and who dosnt it may well be just luck of the draw