Oswald was Lone Assassin

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by alan7554

what a load of utter tosh,the laws of physics states that when an object is hit from a forward motion it causes the said object to recoil backwards,

The law of physics may state that, but explain why when watching news reel film of the battle of the Somme, the men being shot at from the German front line, all fall forward towards the direction the bullets came from, or just crumple on the spot.
Holiwood may portray them being flung across the room when shot, but that doesn't happen in real life
I think the law your workin on refers to solid objects.
Retlaw.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

The law of physics may state that, but explain why when watching news reel film of the battle of the Somme, the men being shot at from the German front line, all fall forward towards the direction the bullets came from, or just crumple on the spot.
Holiwood may portray them being flung across the room when shot, but that doesn't happen in real life
I think the law your workin on refers to solid objects.
Retlaw.

You are right Walter , when hit by a bullet most just drop straight down. The body takes the impact and the tissues hit will recoil, but the size of a bullet is not great enough to move the whole body back even though it's speed is very high. Now if someone was hit by a larger missile....a cannon ball for example, which did not explode, then I imagine there would be some backward movement!

[groove]

Doesnt the footage of JFK show his head sway one way then the other? Apparently due to him being in a triangulatory position from 3 shooters. Although im no expert and am only going off whats out there in mainstream media. For example the magic bullet that ricocheted through JFK's body and was found in pristine condition on his strecher in hospital.

[MargaretR]

I watched a film that showed how the zapruder film had been doctored.
The background spectators were looking in the wrong direction and they were out of proportion with the foreground motorcade.
The conclusion was - a crucial bit had been edited out.

[walkinman221]

The" knockback" effect of gunshots popularized in television and movies, and commonly referred to as stopping power by novice or uneducated proponents of large powerful calibers such as .44 Magnum, the effect of knockback from a handgun and indeed most personal weapons is largely a myth. The momentum of the so-called "manstopper" .45 ACP bullet is approximately that of a 1 pound (0.45 kg) mass dropped from a height of 11.4 feet (3.5 m). Such a force is simply incapable of arresting a running target's forward momentum. In addition, bullets are designed to penetrate instead of strike a blunt force blow, because, in penetrating, more severe tissue damage is done. A bullet with sufficient energy to knock down an assailant, such as a high-speed rifle bullet, would be more likely to instead pass straight through, while not transferring the full energy (in fact only a very small percentage of the full energy) of the bullet to the victim.
The "knockback" effect is however commonly "seen" in real-life shootings, and can be explained by physiological and psychological means. Humans encountering a physical hit, be it a punch or a bullet, are conditioned to absorb the blow by moving in the same direction as the force. The physical effect against a non-penetrating weapon is to reduce the force felt by the blow, and in addition, retreating from an attack increases the distance such an attack must cover, which in the case of non-projectile weapons such as fists or a knife, places the target out of range of further attack. In addition, there is a theoretical sociological explanation, that in modern civilization, with far greater separation by most individuals from violence, hunting, and combat, normal individuals may simply recoil, buckle, or fall backward when hit by a bullet, even when in pure physiological terms they are perfectly capable of continuing to charge.
Although knockback is not possible with a handgun bullet, it can be an actual effect occurring in reaction to being hit by a massive slug, such as a rubber bullet or sandbag fired from a shotgun. The dynamics of a slug round are quite different than penetrating bullets; the projectile is here designed not to penetrate but instead to strike a hard, blunt force blow, and as the momentum carried by a shotgun cartridge is greater than practically any production handgun cartridge, the force imparted is comparable to a hard punch and is capable, by physics, of affecting a person's forward motion. In any case, due to conservation of momentum, the gun's recoil is always larger than the bullet's knockback, as some momentum of the bullet is lost during flight, and if the bullet penetrates through the target it will not have imparted all its momentum into the target.So all in all its about velocity at which the round is travelling which increases with calibre ie snipers rifles , hunting rifles.

[mobertol]

Whew -that was a long complicated post! Are you a weapons expert....

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Whew -that was a long complicated post! Are you a weapons expert....

Not quite, but have got a firearms cert and have done a fair bit of shooting in my time and yes it was a complicated post and about half way through thought bloody hell why did i start this

[Eric]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

Not quite, but have got a firearms cert and have done a fair bit of shooting in my time and yes it was a complicated post and about half way through thought bloody hell why did i start this

Happens to me all the time, particularly after a few tokes

But, I think that Retlaw's first post dealt with the lone assassin thing sufficiently .... imagine if it were a game of "Clue" .... the answer: "It was Lee Harvey Oswald, in the Texas Book Depository with a piece of junk Italian rifle" will never be the winning answer.

[Restless]

Always loved the Bill Hicks joke:-

You know I went to visit the Kennedy assassination museum and they got it so perfect and accurate to every little detail. I was amazed how accurate it is, because you can look at the window and Oswald ain't in it.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Eric

Happens to me all the time, particularly after a few tokes

But, I think that Retlaw's first post dealt with the lone assassin thing sufficiently .... imagine if it were a game of "Clue" .... the answer: "It was Lee Harvey Oswald, in the Texas Book Depository with a piece of junk Italian rifle" will never be the winning answer.

Sorry to be thick Eric-you used this in a PM too -what exactly is a Toke -is it Canada-speak?

[cashman]

yeh musta led a pretty sheltered life Di.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Sorry to be thick Eric-you used this in a PM too -what exactly is a Toke -is it Canada-speak?

He's having a few drops of the hard stuff, in other words he's kettled.
Retlaw.

[MargaretR]

Mobertol - I think in Italian it's 'canapa'

[Eric]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Sorry to be thick Eric-you used this in a PM too -what exactly is a Toke -is it Canada-speak?

Here you go ....



Now all you need are some Cheech and Chong videos ....

[Eric]

Originally Posted by cashman

yeh musta led a pretty sheltered life Di.

Ay ... like me and thee