Paedophiles and Chemical castration.

[Margaret Pilkington]

yes, Mick women too are capable of sexual abuse of children.......that is particularly abhorrent.

[Alvin the chipmunk]

Nice bit of spin this. An expert on the radio yesterday said that they have been trying this technique for a while now, with varying results, so it's nothing new. All just a bit of positive spin before the new Home Secretary takes over.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Ianto.W.

I did not mean to criticize the raising of the subject Margaret, it's as you say a thorny one and should be aired, some of the contributors seem to have a rather apologetic attitude towards these perverts, in my opinion there is no excuse for taking advantage of younger impressionable children, whatever age the perpetrators are. These people are sick and need dealing with, if chemical castration works then so be it, if they persist in this sick behaviour then 'prune' them completely.

You are obviously referring to me as 'the sympathetic one' but you can happily say my name and I wont be offended. I guess in my generation your taught to look at every possible aspect rather than be one sided.
The reason I havent mentioned the victims of abuse is because even though some may never get over the problem they have been through, there are facilities there for them that helps with their side of the issue, but as margeret said there isnt a simple method of fixing the issue of sex offenders, not just child offenders. A psychiatrist can merely diagnose someone who has such an abnormal and unacceptable mental defect but at least they can help the victims not only come to terms with the situation but they can do their best to heal them. Therefore I think its fair to say discussion on finding mutual agreements throughout society of a method of punishment or, how can i put it, 'fixing' sex offenders is of more importance as its lack of mutual agreement on the problem that result in there still being no way of 'fixing' them.

I get taught to have opinions like this, just because it makes me a minority on here doesnt mean to say i'm being irrational by not wanting to commit murder. I was taught that was wrong just as commiting a sex offence is wrong.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Blazey......as I said there are many shades of opinion on this contentious topic. The other thing that needs to be said, is that those who are sexually abused are very likely to go on and become abusers themselves, whether this is because they are influenced to see this as the 'norm', I'm not altogether sure. Maybe someone on the forum has some more info on this phenomenon, and will share it with us.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Blazey......as I said there are many shades of opinion on this contentious topic. The other thing that needs to be said, is that those who are sexually abused are very likely to go on and become abusers themselves, whether this is because they are influenced to see this as the 'norm', I'm not altogether sure. Maybe someone on the forum has some more info on this phenomenon, and will share it with us.

I thought that was mainly with violence rather than sexual offences...
I cant say i've come across that many paedophile cases studying law so far.

I came across one which maybe made me look at both sides a bit.

Theres a case of a paedophile who attacked a child and admitted he knew what he did was wrong and he was crying but he said he couldnt stop himself.
I guess it must be hard to know something is wrong but having no way of stopping yourself doing it. I remember thinking of it sounding a bit like a heroin addiction.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk

Nice bit of spin this. An expert on the radio yesterday said that they have been trying this technique for a while now, with varying results, so it's nothing new. All just a bit of positive spin before the new Home Secretary takes over.

While it may just be spin - it is certainly an up to the minute topic, and I am not aware that it has been up for discussion in the past.
And Yes, of course there have been drugs where it is recognised that the side effects are a diminution of libido, I am not aware of any government department previously saying that they would use these side effects as a positive benefit to reduce desire in paedophiles.....maybe I have missed something. I'm sure if I have there will be someone ready to correct me

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

While it may just be spin - it is certainly an up to the minute topic, and I am not aware that it has been up for discussion in the past.
And Yes, of course there have been drugs where it is recognised that the side effects are a diminution of libido, I am not aware of any government department previously saying that they would use these side effects as a positive benefit to reduce desire in paedophiles.....maybe I have missed something. I'm sure if I have there will be someone ready to correct me

I dont think castration in any form can ultimately stop a persons sexual desire for child if thats their preference. If its a mental element wont they also have desires just to be around children? its not really going to reduce risk of them staying away from children completely.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Castration of any type means that sexual desire of all kinds is removed.....and it is to do with hormones.....or rather lack of them once castration has been effected...this applies to both chemical and surgical castration.
The men who looked after Harems in the east were routinely castrated so that they felt no sexual desire of any type......however in that type of castration the testicles were removed, so it was permanent.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Castration of any type means that sexual desire of all kinds is removed.....and it is to do with hormones.....or rather lack of them once castration has been effected...this applies to both chemical and surgical castration.
The men who looked after Harems in the east were routinely castrated so that they felt no sexual desire of any type......however in that type of castration the testicles were removed, so it was permanent.

SEXUAL desire, not desire of companionship. You can have a kiss without feeling sexual desire. Sexual desire isnt quite all what can make a paedophile.
A paedophile might enjoy just looking at the form of a childs body, its still wrong if he kidnaps a child and takes pictures of him or her naked, kisses her goodbye and dumps her on the street.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Blazey, here is where we have to disagree.....castration will remove all those desires.....Impotence means having no desire for any sexual contact....you don't want to look at naked anything...and because the desire for sexual contact is gone then children will not have the same magnetic draw.
It is taking the person back to pre-pubescence.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The desire for companionship is not harmful...the desire for sexual contact with children is.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Blazey, here is where we have to disagree.....castration will remove all those desires.....Impotence means having no desire for any sexual contact....you don't want to look at naked anything...and because the desire for sexual contact is gone then children will not have the same magnetic draw.
It is taking the person back to pre-pubescence.

I have to disagree but seen as theres no rock solid evidence of what this medication does I guess it doesnt really matter.

I think theres a little bit more to paedophilia than sexual desire. If your saying you cant kiss someone without sexual desire then yeh, paedophiles wont touch anyone at all. Unfortunatly I recall kissing my mother when I was past puberty and dont remember any sexual attraction.
I am getting the feeling im going to hear the freudian theory next that teenage boys are sexually attracted when they kiss their mums so i think its time for me to leave this thread.

Children wont ever be safe from paedophiles so what difference does it make.

[Margaret Pilkington]

well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure you that the drugs mentioned have these side effects noted...as researched by the drug companies themselves. These drugs mentioned are not marketed to diminish sexual desire......this diminution is a recognised and often unwanted side effect.
You say that you recall kissing your mother when you were past puberty and felt no sexual attraction.......what this says to me is that you didn't understand some of the information in my post......pre-pubescence (as far as I'm aware) means before puberty.
So what I was saying was, that these people will revert to the type of behaviour they had before any sexual feelings were awakened by the reproductive hormones....that is what castration does. Refer to a medical text book and it will confirm what I am telling you.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure you that the drugs mentioned have these side effects noted...as researched by the drug companies themselves. These drugs mentioned are not marketed to diminish sexual desire......this diminution is a recognised and often unwanted side effect.
You say that you recall kissing your mother when you were past puberty and felt no sexual attraction.......what this says to me is that you didn't understand some of the information in my post......pre-pubescence (as far as I'm aware) means before puberty.
So what I was saying was, that these people will revert to the type of behaviour they had before any sexual feelings were awakened by the reproductive hormones....that is what castration does. Refer to a medical text book and it will confirm what I am telling you.

Yes exactly and when my hormones where delightfully awakened I still didnt feel sexual desire whilst kissing my mother. I am quite aware what I said. Meaning you can reach puberty and still kiss feeling no sexual desire.
If you can LACK sexuality kissing someone once you've hit puberty I'm pretty sure you can still kiss a child you dont know without sexual desire and it still be seen as paedophilia. I dont know how to make that anymore clear.

If a man simply kidnaps a child, after this castration, and decides to bathe the child and obviously its genitals, what do you think people will think if the child found and he says what happened to him or her. Oh yeh, a paedophile, yet how if he's on those drugs, oh yeh, because you dont have to have sexual desire to wash a strange child yet the actions are indeed still sickening enough to label them a paedophile.

[Margaret Pilkington]

you are making my point for me.......I need add nothing further.
And NO you haven't got MYpoint...a castrated man will not bother to kidnap a child...or kiss a child (other than perhaps maybe his own, and then in a fatherly way)....as I have tried to point out Castration removes all of these desires.....but as I can see I'm getting nowhere I will give up and admit defeat.